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nh2ri15 02-17-2016 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity (Post 2070215)
Is it? How long is the military commitment? 8-10-12 years? My money says a 21 year old civilian will beat a military guy.(to the airlines)


Air National Guard is part time.


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Aviatrx 02-17-2016 10:08 AM

Seems like every military pilot I fly with has ZERO trouble getting a class date at AA or other Legacy. The network is strong for these guys and gals and they don't have any ALPA stink on em. Tell them to go military!

FLY6584 02-17-2016 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity (Post 2070215)
Is it? How long is the military commitment? 8-10-12 years? My money says a 21 year old civilian will beat a military guy.(to the airlines)

A 21 year old civilian who chooses to go both Guard/Reserves and Regionals will beat everyone to the Majors.

Active duty comes with the ass pain of an 8-10 year commitment and the regionals come with the ass pain of... well flying for the regionals.

If I were a young guy with sights on the Majors I'd get the military stink on me at the Guard/Reserves and the 121 stink on me at the Regionals.

RyanP 02-17-2016 10:34 AM

PDT is basing all their growth off our old worn out, high time, soon to be retired E145's from Envoy, we already have mothballed a whole fleet of them in the desert.. 50 seaters are going away in the regional world if you haven't noticed. Just like how the 19-34 seat turboprops I started flying at the regionals died off. I have thousands of hours in those very 145's going to PDT, they are clapped out uncomfortable old pieces of junk that the customers hate to fly on. I sure wouldn't want to bet my future plans on that recipe for disaster at PDT working out for them long term...

Av8er1550 02-17-2016 11:03 AM

I've been struggling in between corporate and regionals. If I go regional I'm going with Endeavor. Yeah, it might be a little commute but the wages definitely do it for me for right now in life hands down. I can't afford to live at most regionals first year pay. A year doesn't sound like much overall but it's still a year trying to do a second job on top of flying for a regional. Endeavor looks pretty solid......

billyho 02-17-2016 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 2070281)
PDT is basing all their growth off our old worn out, high time, soon to be retired E145's from Envoy, we already have mothballed a whole fleet of them in the desert.. 50 seaters are going away in the regional world if you haven't noticed. Just like how the 19-34 seat turboprops I started flying at the regionals died off. I have thousands of hours in those very 145's going to PDT, they are clapped out uncomfortable old pieces of junk that the customers hate to fly on. I sure wouldn't want to bet my future plans on that recipe for disaster at PDT working out for them long term...

I don't think the plan is worn out 145's for their future:rolleyes:

billyho 02-17-2016 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by Av8er1550 (Post 2070291)
I've been struggling in between corporate and regionals. If I go regional I'm going with Endeavor. Yeah, it might be a little commute but the wages definitely do it for me for right now in life hands down. I can't afford to live at most regionals first year pay. A year doesn't sound like much overall but it's still a year trying to do a second job on top of flying for a regional. Endeavor looks pretty solid......

What's the upgrade at Endeavor? Right now at Piedmont if you have the time you can finish training and go right to Captain. So the 2nd year pay would be a big boost.

If Endeavor gives you a better commute or the ability to live in base then by all means go there.

MantisToboggan 02-17-2016 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 2070303)
I don't think the plan is worn out 145's for their future:rolleyes:

Obviously Parker wants to hire a bunch of pilots, transition the company to jets with a minimum of 20 e145s, let them and the dashes cycle out. Close the doors at PDT. And sign some more expensive long term contracts with AWAC and RAH:D::rolleyes:

RJ Pilot 02-17-2016 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 2070281)
PDT is basing all their growth off our old worn out, high time, soon to be retired E145's from Envoy, we already have mothballed a whole fleet of them in the desert.. 50 seaters are going away in the regional world if you haven't noticed. Just like how the 19-34 seat turboprops I started flying at the regionals died off. I have thousands of hours in those very 145's going to PDT, they are clapped out uncomfortable old pieces of junk that the customers hate to fly on. I sure wouldn't want to bet my future plans on that recipe for disaster at PDT working out for them long term...

bit bitter aren't we?

Whats the upgrade time at PDT vs envoy?

Good Luck!

eaglefly 02-17-2016 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 2070281)
PDT is basing all their growth off our old worn out, high time, soon to be retired E145's from Envoy, we already have mothballed a whole fleet of them in the desert.. 50 seaters are going away in the regional world if you haven't noticed. Just like how the 19-34 seat turboprops I started flying at the regionals died off. I have thousands of hours in those very 145's going to PDT, they are clapped out uncomfortable old pieces of junk that the customers hate to fly on. I sure wouldn't want to bet my future plans on that recipe for disaster at PDT working out for them long term...

But this brings up another question since most of Envoy's "old worn out, high-time, clapped out uncomfortable, pieces of junk" won't be going to PDT, what then does that mean for Envoy ? So far, there really are no replacements scheduled for those aircraft as 40 E-175's won't do it and even if the 90 options could or would be executed, that leaves Envoy only 2/3's of present size.

Seems to me like all the AAG WO Regionals have a similar issue. Of course, consolidation with each other or outsiders ready to flop might solve that, but in that case, all the happy campers of the future AAG WO world will have to plan on share and share alike in upgrades and flow, just as mainline LAA and LUS will soon be doing among what is on the table there.

Just something to consider anyway.............


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