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Lvlng4Spd 02-17-2016 02:54 PM

[QUOTE=RyanP;2070281]PDT is basing all their growth off our old worn out, high time, soon to be retired E145's from Envoy, we already have mothballed a whole fleet of them in the desert.. 50 seaters are going away in the regional world if you haven't noticed. Just like how the 19-34 seat turboprops I started flying at the regionals died off. I have thousands of hours in those very 145's going to PDT, they are clapped out uncomfortable old pieces of junk that the customers hate to fly on. I sure wouldn't want to bet my future plans on that recipe for disaster at PDT working out for them long term...[/QUOTE

There is a strong market for those 50 seat jets where we fly. If there wasn't C5 wouldn't be doing the very same thing. I'd worry more about your own dumpster fire at Envoy first. Shiny new jets don't appeal to everyone when, by your own pilots admission, everything else sucks there.

Outof410 02-17-2016 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Av8er1550 (Post 2070291)
I've been struggling in between corporate and regionals. If I go regional I'm going with Endeavor. Yeah, it might be a little commute but the wages definitely do it for me for right now in life hands down. I can't afford to live at most regionals first year pay. A year doesn't sound like much overall but it's still a year trying to do a second job on top of flying for a regional. Endeavor looks pretty solid......

I am in the same boat. I am trying to figure out if I can afford to make the jump.

billyho 02-17-2016 03:08 PM

[QUOTE=Lvlng4Spd;2070435]

Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 2070281)
PDT is basing all their growth off our old worn out, high time, soon to be retired E145's from Envoy, we already have mothballed a whole fleet of them in the desert.. 50 seaters are going away in the regional world if you haven't noticed. Just like how the 19-34 seat turboprops I started flying at the regionals died off. I have thousands of hours in those very 145's going to PDT, they are clapped out uncomfortable old pieces of junk that the customers hate to fly on. I sure wouldn't want to bet my future plans on that recipe for disaster at PDT working out for them long term...[/QUOTE

There is a strong market for those 50 seat jets where we fly. If there wasn't C5 wouldn't be doing the very same thing. I'd worry more about your own dumpster fire at Envoy first. Shiny new jets don't appeal to everyone when, by your own pilots admission, everything else sucks there.

Safe to say misery loves company.:D

RyanP 02-17-2016 04:23 PM

Ok.. Good luck with a new fleet of old worn out pieces of crap and nothing new coming in. No orders, no options.... Doesn't sound like a stable promising platform for a new hire looking ahead at Least 6 yrs to flow. Not that shltvoy is any better really.

Earlier poster said it best. Join a guard unit for the sure thing and absolute fastest path to a Legacy.

Skyler02 02-17-2016 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Av8er1550 (Post 2070291)
I've been struggling in between corporate and regionals. If I go regional I'm going with Endeavor. Yeah, it might be a little commute but the wages definitely do it for me for right now in life hands down. I can't afford to live at most regionals first year pay. A year doesn't sound like much overall but it's still a year trying to do a second job on top of flying for a regional. Endeavor looks pretty solid......

I'd say Endeavor is your best choice right now.

http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/...psam2dqy7p.png

Skyler02 02-17-2016 04:41 PM

Here's the data used for the graph.

http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/...pslgi8gjak.png

billyho 02-17-2016 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 2070482)
Ok.. Good luck with a new fleet of old worn out pieces of crap and nothing new coming in. No orders, no options.... Doesn't sound like a stable promising platform for a new hire looking ahead at Least 6 yrs to flow. Not that shltvoy is any better really.

Earlier poster said it best. Join a guard unit for the sure thing and absolute fastest path to a Legacy.

http://s9.postimg.org/69u3yra7j/1210...99704331_n.jpg

FirstClass 02-17-2016 06:21 PM

These graphs don't tell the whole story. I'm all for all that extra money, but if it means you have to be at a contract airline 5 years longer because it takes longer to upgrade or some other circumstance, then your total compensation in pay and benefits will not be high as someone who went to the major leagues 5 years before you. At age 65, those extra 5 years in the big leagues probably means a million dollars extra.



Originally Posted by Skyler02 (Post 2070488)
I'd say Endeavor is your best choice right now.

http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/...psam2dqy7p.png


jules11 02-17-2016 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2070561)
These graphs don't tell the whole story. I'm all for all that extra money, but if it means you have to be at a contract airline 5 years longer because it takes longer to upgrade or some other circumstance, then your total compensation in pay and benefits will not be high as someone who went to the major leagues 5 years before you. At age 65, those extra 5 years in the big leagues probably means a million dollars extra.

Hindsight will always be 20/20. When one is 65, then and only then, will one know which path was best when it came to that 5 years of compensation.

Eaglepilot84 02-17-2016 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by jules11 (Post 2070565)
Hindsight will always be 20/20. When one is 65, then and only then, will one know which path was best when it came to that 5 years of compensation.

This, along with "Living the dream!", is way too overused. Stop.


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