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Old 04-21-2016, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
They are lobbying Congress for your pay. They just can't say "make them pay pilots more." That's a juvenile approach.
We've all been conditioned to think that Only Alpa can solve all of our problems, but I think we are all beginning to wake up and figure out that Alpa was the source of all of our problems all along.
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Old 04-21-2016, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
Oh boy where to even start.

"regional pilots will have a major airline job in the next ten years IF you don't sell your future away now"

You act like its going to put the big 3 out of business. It's not. Quit placating us.

"ALPA is fighting for your future"

Alpa is an evil organization that must be disbanded altogether. Alpa only cares about alpa. They steal our dues while stepping on our necks. Eating steak and lobster while negotiated sh|tty contracts, letting the incompetent locals run amuck. Further, alpa doesn't take the temperature of the room before speaking on pilots behalf.

When Alpa needs something, we are a union. When alpa tries to distance itself, they claim thats what the local wanted.

I'm glad all this came up though, I have written my Congressmen and Senators about an hour ago and told them only certain pilots are against NAI, but at the regional level, where Congress knows we struggle to put food on the table, we support NAI and welcome them into our aviation family. We are looking forward to any employment that their presence brings. It will be good for the American worker, their families, and general competition overall.
I am old and have been retired now for quite awhile.
I have been a player in this industry for over 50 years.
You sir, enjoy a unique position in that time.
I don't believe I have experienced too many individuals who are more obtuse or oblivious than yourself.
Either that or you're actually like 10 yrs old and have nothing else to do while sitting in your room on "time out".
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Old 04-21-2016, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Outsider
I am old and have been retired now for quite awhile.
I have been a player in this industry for over 50 years.
You sir, enjoy a unique position in that time.
I don't believe I have experienced too many individuals who are more obtuse or oblivious than yourself.
Either that or you're actually like 10 yrs old and have nothing else to do while sitting in your room on "time out".
Do you always do as you're told?
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Old 04-21-2016, 09:51 AM
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I totally agree that ALPA has screwed us more times than I can count. It seems they are never looking out for the RJ drivers, and don't hesitate to sell us down the river. They let this happen in their own backyard. Hopefully ALPA and mainline pilots are finally seeing that was a mistake, but I digress...

However, not standing with ALPA with this NAI proposal just to go against ALPA, is akin to cutting off our nose to spite our face. Most of us are looking to move on, he!1, I think almost all of us would rather be flying a 175 or 190 at mainline that flying at whatever $h!**y regional we are at. Many of us want a chance to fly the heavy international flying some day, this is a direct threat to that flying, and expansion at mainline. Even if you consider yourself a lifer at your regional, this new 'pilot shortage' in the US is the only thing that has broken the long-time streak of concessionary contracts and brought a wave of better pay/work rules/QOL to new regional contracts (and mainline). This is also in direct threat of Southwest's rumored plans to expand farther into South America and Europe. I highly doubt the Southwest model would be competitive against NAI.

This isn't a mainline vs regional issue. This isn't UAL/Delta ALPA vs Regional carrier ALPA. This is about protecting American jobs, US companies, tax revenue in the United States. Just look at how trade agreements have decimated other industries in this country... Not to mention flag of convenience in the maritime industry. If NAI gets through all pilots in the United States lose.

It's important to care. When your bored in the hotel room, please take the 5 minutes to write your congressman. Urge your parents, significant other, etc, to do the same. https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials

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Old 04-21-2016, 10:06 AM
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For the "I'll just go get a job at NAI" crowd: not all of us want to do the expat thing. If I did, I'd be at Emirates right now.

And just look at how many US pilots that are doing expat flying are trying so hard to come back and fly for a US major airline. Obviously these foreign carriers aren't all unicorns and rainbows....
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Old 04-21-2016, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Bellanca
For the "I'll just go get a job at NAI" crowd: not all of us want to do the expat thing. If I did, I'd be at Emirates right now.

And just look at how many US pilots that are doing expat flying are trying so hard to come back and fly for a US major airline. Obviously these foreign carriers aren't all unicorns and rainbows....
The "flow" at PSA is 20 years to American right now. This career is designed so one can only plan more than a year in advance. I'll take the opportunities as they present themselves.
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Old 04-21-2016, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
The "flow" at PSA is 20 years to American right now. This career is designed so one can only plan more than a year in advance. I'll take the opportunities as they present themselves.
So, you are mad at ALPA for hosing the regionals but took a job at an airline that undercut a sister carrier for jets? You are literally part of the problem but are blaming everyone but yourself for voting for the race to the bottom.
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Old 04-21-2016, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
So, you are mad at ALPA for hosing the regionals but took a job at an airline that undercut a sister carrier for jets? You are literally part of the problem but are blaming everyone but yourself for voting for the race to the bottom.
Envoy caved 4 times in a row. Not sure where you are going with this. If they would have held the line from the start they wouldn't be in this mess.
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Old 04-21-2016, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
Oh boy where to even start.

"regional pilots will have a major airline job in the next ten years IF you don't sell your future away now"

You act like its going to put the big 3 out of business. It's not. Quit placating us.

"ALPA is fighting for your future"

Alpa is an evil organization that must be disbanded altogether. Alpa only cares about alpa. They steal our dues while stepping on our necks. Eating steak and lobster while negotiated sh|tty contracts, letting the incompetent locals run amuck. Further, alpa doesn't take the temperature of the room before speaking on pilots behalf.

When Alpa needs something, we are a union. When alpa tries to distance itself, they claim thats what the local wanted.

I'm glad all this came up though, I have written my Congressmen and Senators about an hour ago and told them only certain pilots are against NAI, but at the regional level, where Congress knows we struggle to put food on the table, we support NAI and welcome them into our aviation family. We are looking forward to any employment that their presence brings. It will be good for the American worker, their families, and general competition overall.
How old are you? I'm guessing you are close to or over 50? Then I can see your apathy on this issue. If you want a job at a major airline there is no reason to not back this movement. Many of us still hope to have a career in this industry. A job at a major airline is the path to that career. NAI has a potential to put a serious dent in major airline hiring, if you want to fly around on your little RJ for 15 more yours then don't support this fight. Those of us who want more will have to look past the failings of ALPA for long term benefit. If you don't want to work for an ALPA carrier there are plenty of non-ALPA jobs.
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Old 04-21-2016, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
We've all been conditioned to think that Only Alpa can solve all of our problems, but I think we are all beginning to wake up and figure out that Alpa was the source of all of our problems all along.
Then do your part and fight the system and don't work at an ALPA carrier. You'll show them...
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