Deny NAI
04-21-2016 | 06:56 PM
#71
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So out of curiosity, I dug around for NAI pay. What I could find was $90 k starting and captains topping out at $160k. Starting pay doesn't seem that bad, but virtually no health insurance, retirement, etc. One place said schedules were 5 on 3 off, another said 5 on 4 off. Either way, not tons better than my crappy regional schedule. The only upside is that I read somewhere about 5-6 weeks of vacation. Also, keep in mind these pay rates are for a 787... Not a narrow body airbus or 73. Also, lots of forums with European pilots decrying how bad the work rules are at nai. I can only imagine it's like flying for a typical us regional, but in a 787.
Right now Bangkok is the only base.
I honestly think almost all pilots would be better at a major, lcc, or even as a senior RJ captain...
Right now Bangkok is the only base.
I honestly think almost all pilots would be better at a major, lcc, or even as a senior RJ captain...
04-21-2016 | 07:19 PM
#72
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So out of curiosity, I dug around for NAI pay. What I could find was $90 k starting and captains topping out at $160k. Starting pay doesn't seem that bad, but virtually no health insurance, retirement, etc. One place said schedules were 5 on 3 off, another said 5 on 4 off. Either way, not tons better than my crappy regional schedule. The only upside is that I read somewhere about 5-6 weeks of vacation. Also, keep in mind these pay rates are for a 787... Not a narrow body airbus or 73. Also, lots of forums with European pilots decrying how bad the work rules are at nai. I can only imagine it's like flying for a typical us regional, but in a 787.
Right now Bangkok is the only base.
I honestly think almost all pilots would be better at a major, lcc, or even as a senior RJ captain...
Right now Bangkok is the only base.
I honestly think almost all pilots would be better at a major, lcc, or even as a senior RJ captain...
04-22-2016 | 04:36 AM
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What's the alternative?
Each line pilot makes a snap judgement to an alleged contract violation and refuses to fly that flight/trip.
Said pilot is fired by company.
Union goes through grievance process to get wrongfully pilot reinstated, (process takes 1week, 1month, 1 yr, 1 decade?)
Pilot tries to survive in the interim not knowing how long the process will take.
That whole solution doesn't sound grand, so even at the Majors, Union advice (ALPA, SWAPA, APA, etc) is unless you are being told to break the law, you should fly the dispute and let the union fight for you after the fact. At a major you have 13,000 pilots with 12,994 interpretations of any one section of the contract.
Each line pilot makes a snap judgement to an alleged contract violation and refuses to fly that flight/trip.
Said pilot is fired by company.
Union goes through grievance process to get wrongfully pilot reinstated, (process takes 1week, 1month, 1 yr, 1 decade?)
Pilot tries to survive in the interim not knowing how long the process will take.
That whole solution doesn't sound grand, so even at the Majors, Union advice (ALPA, SWAPA, APA, etc) is unless you are being told to break the law, you should fly the dispute and let the union fight for you after the fact. At a major you have 13,000 pilots with 12,994 interpretations of any one section of the contract.
04-22-2016 | 04:39 AM
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They have to. Just line ALPA supports FAR 121/117. It's a Federal Regulation. And repealing the RLA could be way more disastrous for labor than you can imagine especially in an anti-labor society.
I know you think you know it all because you went to some garbage aviation "university" but you are clueless
I know you think you know it all because you went to some garbage aviation "university" but you are clueless
04-23-2016 | 09:34 AM
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For the "I'll just go get a job at NAI" crowd: not all of us want to do the expat thing. If I did, I'd be at Emirates right now.
And just look at how many US pilots that are doing expat flying are trying so hard to come back and fly for a US major airline. Obviously these foreign carriers aren't all unicorns and rainbows....
And just look at how many US pilots that are doing expat flying are trying so hard to come back and fly for a US major airline. Obviously these foreign carriers aren't all unicorns and rainbows....
04-23-2016 | 10:58 AM
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If they open pilots bases in the US (like they did for Flight Attendants??) then I don't necessarily consider it expat.
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