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Old 04-21-2016 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
How old are you? I'm guessing you are close to or over 50? Then I can see your apathy on this issue. If you want a job at a major airline there is no reason to not back this movement. Many of us still hope to have a career in this industry. A job at a major airline is the path to that career. NAI has a potential to put a serious dent in major airline hiring, if you want to fly around on your little RJ for 15 more yours then don't support this fight. Those of us who want more will have to look past the failings of ALPA for long term benefit. If you don't want to work for an ALPA carrier there are plenty of non-ALPA jobs.
NAI is a done deal.
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Old 04-21-2016 | 10:50 AM
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The "flow" at PSA is 20 years to American right now. This career is designed so one can only plan more than a year in advance. I'll take the opportunities as they present themselves.
Finally we're in a position where us pilots are making gains, and you don't like that? Fine. I wouldn't want to wait 20 years either... I guess you don't mind squashing your chances at getting picked up at Delta, Southwest or United in the next few years while you want for PSA's gimmick of a flow.

This shouldn't surprise me, PSA isn't exactly a shining example of standing up for the industry....
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Old 04-21-2016 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bellanca
Finally we're in a position where us pilots are making gains, and you don't like that? Fine. I wouldn't want to wait 20 years either... I guess you don't mind squashing your chances at getting picked up at Delta, Southwest or United in the next few years while you want for PSA's gimmick of a flow.

This shouldn't surprise me, PSA isn't exactly a shining example of standing up for the industry....
I'm not a good fit for Delta, their pilots are a little to prissy for my liking.

United is my second to last choice, American is my dead last choice.

My number one choice right now is NAI (if they hire and domicile in the US) followed by an LCC.

Southwest is also off the table, it'll take far to long to upgrade, maybe never upgrade.
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Old 04-21-2016 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
I'm not a good fit for Delta, their pilots are a little to prissy for my liking.

United is my second to last choice, American is my dead last choice.

My number one choice right now is NAI (if they hire and domicile in the US) followed by an LCC.

Southwest is also off the table, it'll take far to long to upgrade, maybe never upgrade.
I guess to each his own...

I was under the impression that pilots were going to be hired out of Asia and based out of Thailand to make their business model work. Enjoy that commute.

If they do end up domiciling in the US, enjoy paying exorbitant amounts of tax as a 1099 contract employee while getting paid less to fly the same equipment than all of these companies you dislike so much. And hopefully you don't have any weird medical things that DQ you from a JAA medical that the FAA doesn't even give a $h** about.

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Old 04-21-2016 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
Envoy caved 4 times in a row. Not sure where you are going with this. If they would have held the line from the start they wouldn't be in this mess.
Maybe he was remembering this gem.

Pot. Meet kettle. Maybe you're not part of the problem directly, but you definitely haven't helped things.

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Old 04-21-2016 | 11:11 AM
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Billions of dollars are at play, NAI is going to happen
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Old 04-21-2016 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Outsider
I am old and have been retired now for quite awhile.
I have been a player in this industry for over 50 years.
You sir, enjoy a unique position in that time.
I don't believe I have experienced too many individuals who are more obtuse or oblivious than yourself.
Either that or you're actually like 10 yrs old and have nothing else to do while sitting in your room on "time out".
Well said, Sir. It is amusing to listen to the whiners from our side of the fence.

Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Then do your part and fight the system and don't work at an ALPA carrier. You'll show them...
That'll learn 'em.

Originally Posted by FirstClass
I'm not a good fit for Delta, their pilots are a little to prissy for my liking.

United is my second to last choice, American is my dead last choice.

My number one choice right now is NAI (if they hire and domicile in the US) followed by an LCC.

Southwest is also off the table, it'll take far to long to upgrade, maybe never upgrade.
I wouldn't be surprised if you're SWA's, UAL's, DAL's and AA's last choice either. What you meant to say:

"My ONLY choice is NAI."
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Old 04-21-2016 | 12:14 PM
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So if you have been in the airline industry for 50 years, does that mean you were part of this entire race to the bottom? Being part of the B-scale then us here in the regional C-scale. So NAI is doing the exact same thing, where was ALPA back then? I am just wondering so fight this because it hurts the big boys, but bury us when it makes you more money. If you have never worked in the regionals that you set up to screw anyone behind you, I have to say you don't have much of an input that the regional guys are going to listen to. Living on food stamps after a very large loan, and being lied to by the industry that you are now stuck in. I am ok, as I am in a better position to bear this than most. But yeah, you are not going to get much sympathy on the regional forums over this.
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Old 04-21-2016 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LostMedic
So if you have been in the airline industry for 50 years, does that mean you were part of this entire race to the bottom? Being part of the B-scale then us here in the regional C-scale. So NAI is doing the exact same thing, where was ALPA back then? I am just wondering so fight this because it hurts the big boys, but bury us when it makes you more money. If you have never worked in the regionals that you set up to screw anyone behind you, I have to say you don't have much of an input that the regional guys are going to listen to. Living on food stamps after a very large loan, and being lied to by the industry that you are now stuck in. I am ok, as I am in a better position to bear this than most. But yeah, you are not going to get much sympathy on the regional forums over this.
So that'd be over 50 years now (for me).
And Yes, I guess that means I've been a part of it.
I (we) never intended the industry to evolve in this manner.
Deregulation took us workin' stiffs by surprise.
It was touted as the panacea by our government and "we" had no reason to doubt them at the time because so few of us could really envision an airline industry that had to be also a "successful business" let alone a profitable one.
It was not part of our knowledge base.
What has transpired since is no less than a complete dysfunctional catastrophe.
Deregulation was full of ideals and promises; a veritable fantasy land of airlines and airplanes and routes to everywhere for everybody.
All it has ever truly done is leave a path of destruction in its wake that has been the final resting place of airlines and employees and service.
In other words the industry never had a chance after that; so you can delve in to all the nooks and cranny's that have surfaced since for some blame but you're not digging deep enough.
But Oh Yeh, we did get Southwest Airlines out of the deal, so I guess that makes everything alright.
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Old 04-21-2016 | 04:02 PM
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How about we just let NAI fly and we can all grieve it after the fact. Isn't that the ALPA way?
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