Death of the Regionals
05-02-2016 | 08:19 AM
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I assure you its not. Try to have some vision.
If you are American Airlines, how would you preserve your regional flow?
You could:
1.) Mandate all new hires at American come through their regional feed, no exceptions including military.
2.) When the regional feed becomes as expensive as simply operating those aircraft in house, that's what you do, fly RJ's in house.
One has a large price tag. The other does not. Option 1 creates a new rung on the career ladder.
If you are American Airlines, how would you preserve your regional flow?
You could:
1.) Mandate all new hires at American come through their regional feed, no exceptions including military.
2.) When the regional feed becomes as expensive as simply operating those aircraft in house, that's what you do, fly RJ's in house.
One has a large price tag. The other does not. Option 1 creates a new rung on the career ladder.
05-02-2016 | 08:31 AM
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No, I agree that all civilian hires may have to come from the regional. However, military pilots will always be the first selected of pilot candidates for the majors. If you ran a company, you would understand that veterans are almost always better employees than non-veterans. Also, the only quantifiable education these days is the military academies, as even Ivy legal has become a joke.
05-02-2016 | 08:40 AM
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Question. Considering how the airlines are pulling most of their Pilot's from the civilian side now, who later get in to those positions of hiring other Pilots, will military Pilots really get first consideration? I know a few C-17 Pilots, with thousands of hours wide-body time, who've applied with several legacy carriers months back who haven't even received a telephone call meanwhile buddies of mine are going from SIC, spent 4-5yrs respectively, at the regionals to a legacy no problem. Thoughts on why this may be?
05-02-2016 | 08:47 AM
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I assure you its not. Try to have some vision.
If you are American Airlines, how would you preserve your regional flow?
You could:
1.) Mandate all new hires at American come through their regional feed, no exceptions including military.
2.) When the regional feed becomes as expensive as simply operating those aircraft in house, that's what you do, fly RJ's in house.
One has a large price tag. The other does not. Option 1 creates a new rung on the career ladder.
If you are American Airlines, how would you preserve your regional flow?
You could:
1.) Mandate all new hires at American come through their regional feed, no exceptions including military.
2.) When the regional feed becomes as expensive as simply operating those aircraft in house, that's what you do, fly RJ's in house.
One has a large price tag. The other does not. Option 1 creates a new rung on the career ladder.
Given that Delta and United are making big investments in smaller aircraft for mainline fleets, and Delta has 900 pay rates already in their mainline CBA, I agree that up-gauging is going to continue. I'd wager that sometime in the next 5 years we'll see 900s and 175s on mainline certs. But a 100% flow presents some logistical challenges that'll sink that ship pretty soon.
On second though, as AAG is unable to see further out than the next quarterly report, maybe shooting themselves in the foot is exactly what they'll do.
05-02-2016 | 08:48 AM
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05-02-2016 | 09:06 AM
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Question. Considering how the airlines are pulling most of their Pilot's from the civilian side now, who later get in to those positions of hiring other Pilots, will military Pilots really get first consideration? I know a few C-17 Pilots, with thousands of hours wide-body time, who've applied with several legacy carriers months back who haven't even received a telephone call meanwhile buddies of mine are going from SIC, spent 4-5yrs respectively, at the regionals to a legacy no problem. Thoughts on why this may be?
05-02-2016 | 09:39 AM
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No, lol, I'm not set or fishing...I'm simply interested in what people's opinions are who have the experience I don't to try to gain some understanding of this industry. The situation which I mentioned is real life and I was wanting to understand why those military pilots weren't selected over civilian pilots who came from the regionals. Please point out where I mentioned United or my desire to fly for them, I can't seem to find that statement anywhere. Do you usually tell people what they are thinking?
05-02-2016 | 10:54 AM
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Question. Considering how the airlines are pulling most of their Pilot's from the civilian side now, who later get in to those positions of hiring other Pilots, will military Pilots really get first consideration? I know a few C-17 Pilots, with thousands of hours wide-body time, who've applied with several legacy carriers months back who haven't even received a telephone call meanwhile buddies of mine are going from SIC, spent 4-5yrs respectively, at the regionals to a legacy no problem. Thoughts on why this may be?
Who the **** knows!! Why not call said airlines and ask them about their hiring practices?!?! These ****ing threads are getting ridiculous
05-02-2016 | 11:12 AM
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I think the "regionals" (as they are now made up) will not "die" for at last another 5 years. What WILL occur over that period is contraction and consolidation. In the effort to maintain more seats, smaller aircraft (and thus markets) will be the first to vaporize, ultimately ending up a 67-76 seat segment of the industry flying solely to more mid size cities and mixing in with legacy flights in many others.
Eventually though, absent a Hail Mary to bring in A LOT of fresh, new right-seat meat, another paradigm will have to be embraced.
Eventually though, absent a Hail Mary to bring in A LOT of fresh, new right-seat meat, another paradigm will have to be embraced.
05-02-2016 | 11:54 AM
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I'm sure at one point you were where I am now and had questions you wanted answered using the resources available to you. If you are getting that frustrated by questions from people who may not know something/are new to the industry, like you did and were at one point, then why even take the time to bother with a comment? Read it, roll your eyes and move along. Lmao.
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