Regional airline CEO warns of pilot shortage
#21
Ah don't worry...some recruiting departments flat out lie to applicants.
The level of ethics involved in airline recruiting, specifically bottom tier regional airline, is absolutely disgusting.
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Now, if we had a union structure that had absolute control of pilot supply that would be a different discussion, but that's not what we have.
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Ultimately wages are going to have a lot more to do with the free market than with unions. Unions can and have agreed to wage cuts when market conditions favored them, because ultimately whatever business we're talking about is constrained by market forces. But, these are not those times.
Now, if we had a union structure that had absolute control of pilot supply that would be a different discussion, but that's not what we have.
Now, if we had a union structure that had absolute control of pilot supply that would be a different discussion, but that's not what we have.
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Do you think it's a coincidence ALPA signed off on all these concessionary contracts while simultaneously seeing huge gains in legacy compensation during the same timeframe.
Its the tacit, unspoken thing everyone "knows" but never talks about: the overall negotiating strategy at National is:
1) Lock in cheap wages at regionals to save money on feed
2) Go get the money they just saved mgmt by signing off on all the crappy TAs at their regional sweatshops
3) Mainline gets more, we get less
It's a perverse Dickensian cycle that ALPA National has coordinated over the last decade or two
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You guys are making good points. i just spent a year and a half not flying because I was not going to waist my time for 20000 per year. There is no shortage of pilots. Pay a pilot 75000 a year and you will have all the FOs you need. Make captain's pay 120 and classes will fill up again. Many of my friends just sit at home.
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But you showed up to fly as of recently correct? So why would they inflate the wages if what they offered was good enough to put your butt in their seat? I'm guessing you fly for TSA or G7 by looking at your previous posts so im guessing the quick upgrade perked your interest also. This is another way to get people in seats. Changes in wages have happened but they wont double and triple if a 20% increase gets people to show up.
Remember, friends don't let friends fly for Hulas Kanolia (TSA Gojet, Compass).
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Good try but all misses. But, your point is noted as to people taking jobs at these rates. But the problem in front of us is that there are not enough people doing that and there is a reason. I think you missed my point though, which is there are plenty of pilots who won't work for these low wages. Yes, some will and the more you pay the more there will be. Wages should double or triple because that is what the market demands. These CEOs are trying to distort the market by claiming there is a shortage and asking the government to remove the current standards. The current market rate for an FO, such that supply = demand would be 75 to 80k. That would push CA pay to 115 to 125. That is about what it was for similar planes in 1982. Compare the rates for a DC9-10 for NW or Continental back then. That is not even adjusting for inflation.
Remember, friends don't let friends fly for Hulas Kanolia (TSA Gojet, Compass).
Remember, friends don't let friends fly for Hulas Kanolia (TSA Gojet, Compass).
Management is trying to operate the regionals the same damn way it was 10 years ago. Ain't gonna happen.
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What an absolute TOOL BAG of a CEO. Move to AA in "a decade", LOL.
Big picture guys, today regionals do 51% of all domestic flying. 3-5 years from now that'll probably decrease to 25%. Everyone will have a shot at the majors out of the street, except PSA pilots who will have to wait 10 years.
These CEOs are the most close minded evil maniacs ever. The "broad picture" is that PSA still pays $20s an hour when everyone else caught up with a 40% first year raise.
Imma grab my popcorn and watch this thing implode.
Big picture guys, today regionals do 51% of all domestic flying. 3-5 years from now that'll probably decrease to 25%. Everyone will have a shot at the majors out of the street, except PSA pilots who will have to wait 10 years.
These CEOs are the most close minded evil maniacs ever. The "broad picture" is that PSA still pays $20s an hour when everyone else caught up with a 40% first year raise.
Imma grab my popcorn and watch this thing implode.
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