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Old 06-03-2016 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
It isn't

Seems Wiki and the DoT classify it as a Group III 'major' airline

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majo..._United_States

Air Carrier Groupings | Bureau of Transportation Statistics
It's considered a National or LCC. Major airlines have to have a revenue of $1billion to be considered a major. Also it would be considered a Group II not a group III.
Either way, it's a misleading article.
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Old 06-03-2016 | 12:46 PM
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No way. It's totally a major like Envoy and Skywest on the exact same list as Delta, United and American. They're all majors and the same because they're on a list together.
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Old 06-03-2016 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyooopilot791

Only way this will work is if frontier starts paying in training and Silver starts paying people correctly to get people in the door....
Not arguing the merits of this program, but just wanted to correct you. Frontier DOES pay during training. You get monthly guarantee (which 1st year and subsequent are crap relative to industry) starting day one. With that being said, you are responsible for your own lodging. Benefits start 1st of the month following your hire date.
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Old 06-03-2016 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by abusdriver
Not arguing the merits of this program, but just wanted to correct you. Frontier DOES pay during training. You get monthly guarantee (which 1st year and subsequent are crap relative to industry) starting day one. With that being said, you are responsible for your own lodging. Benefits start 1st of the month following your hire date.
Eh... That's crappy.
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Old 06-03-2016 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
It's considered a National or LCC. Major airlines have to have a revenue of $1billion to be considered a major. Also it would be considered a Group II not a group III.
Either way, it's a misleading article.
And......you didn't read either link I posted did you?

So to help all of those others who wish to at least know the right terms when discussing aviation and using facts - I'll post the relevant parts of both the Wiki link (but of course who can trust Wiki right ) and the DoT link.

WIKI:
"The United States Department of Transportation defines a major carrier or major airline carrier as a U.S.-based airline that posts more than $1 billion in revenue during a fiscal year.[1] The term "major carrier" or "major airline" can also refer to traditional legacy carriers, distinguishing them from startup and low-cost carriers."

As of January 2015, there were 18 major carriers:[1]
Mainline passengerEdit

From the DoT website:
"Changes in the reporting groups are effective January 1, 2016. Any questions regarding the groupings should be directed to [email protected] (link sends e-mail).
William Chadwick Jr.
Director
Office of Airline Information
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GROUP III
AIR CARRIERS - 18


CARRIER
Alaska Airlines
Allegiant Air
American Airlines
Atlas Air
Delta Air Lines
Envoy
Express Jet
Federal Express
Frontier Airlines
Hawaiian Airlines
Jet Blue
Polar Air Cargo
SkyWest
Southwest Airlines
Spirit Airlines
United Airlines
UPS
Virgin America"
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Old 06-03-2016 | 04:10 PM
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Just like grunts and POGs are the same cause they're in a category together.
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Old 06-03-2016 | 04:18 PM
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Don't know much about Frontier, but it sounds like some place to obtain an Airbus type short run then scram off to a real major that pays.
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Old 06-03-2016 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Apokleros
Don't know much about Frontier, but it sounds like some place to obtain an Airbus type short run then scram off to a real major that pays.
no one here is really saying you shouldn't flow per say. I was talking more along the lines that it is very unlikely anyone from Silver will get to flow. It could be like 1 maybe 2 people flowing a year due to the fact that they just don't have enough pilots.

if your losing like 5 to 10 people a month and your only taking in like maybe 2 to 6 people a month if they are lucky, the company is going to say they can't afford to lose anyone to the flow and it will be held off.

Either way you don't even have to wait for 1000 PIC at this point in the industry to be able to leave and go somewhere else other then Frontier and get paid better.

Originally Posted by abusdriver
Not arguing the merits of this program, but just wanted to correct you. Frontier DOES pay during training. You get monthly guarantee (which 1st year and subsequent are crap relative to industry) starting day one. With that being said, you are responsible for your own lodging. Benefits start 1st of the month following your hire date.
As for that i guess someone explained it to me wrong. I was under the idea that they weren't paying you at all.
But either way if your paying for your hotel you may as well not consider it being paid, because most if not all your money is going to the hotel and food to do frontier training. Which as chris said

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Eh... That's crappy.
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