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Old 02-15-2007 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MustangFa1con
Not really for Mesa... but if that guy is right about Comair, I'd have to say I would be a little bit surprised. I remember when they were the place to be...
Good point, wasn't it just a few months ago that Comair wasn't even Hiring, now they are hiring anyone who can do a lazy 8?
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Old 02-15-2007 | 08:25 PM
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Good point, wasn't it just a few months ago that Comair wasn't even Hiring, now they are hiring anyone who can do a lazy 8?
This industry is so volatile; we are all crazy for getting into it...who knows what's next
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Old 02-15-2007 | 09:19 PM
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This industry is so volatile; we are all crazy for getting into it...who knows what's next
After 10 years of aviation working everything from Ramper-Fueler- CFII- Army Aviation OPS-Crew Scheduler-Dispatcher-
I feel like I have too much invested, now its just a matter of holding on and trying to survive.
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Old 02-16-2007 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by newgrad411
I know quite a few of these PACE grads and they are all very mature, smart, and competent airmen.

I am not a grad, but have seen the product. More of them work the line than you think, and their safety record is excellent.

The program works.
I am not a fan of MAPD...

But historically speaking, I tend to agree with you. A few years ago you really had to have some ability and motivation to complete that program and get a job at Mesa...then it took 4+ years to meet captain mins.

The problem NOW is that the standards are much lower, ie pass the credit check. I saw some useless punks with real attitudes coming on line when I was still at mesa, but at least THEY had to interview. The MAPD grads today go directly to new-hire class, they don't even interview them. Like GIA, you can definately buy a job at mesa today.
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Old 02-16-2007 | 07:53 AM
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I am not a fan of MAPD...

But historically speaking, I tend to agree with you. A few years ago you really had to have some ability and motivation to complete that program and get a job at Mesa...then it took 4+ years to meet captain mins.

The problem NOW is that the standards are much lower, ie pass the credit check. I saw some useless punks with real attitudes coming on line when I was still at mesa, but at least THEY had to interview. The MAPD grads today go directly to new-hire class, they don't even interview them. Like GIA, you can definately buy a job at mesa today.
I know a guy who did 'buy' a job at Mesa, but he was recently sh#t-canned. So at least they have the balls to fire you if you're too much of a punk on the line. If you worked there, you might know who I'm talking about actually...
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Old 02-16-2007 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by newgrad411
I know quite a few of these PACE grads and they are all very mature, smart, and competent airmen.

I am not a grad, but have seen the product. More of them work the line than you think, and their safety record is excellent.

The program works.
haha you're a funny guy
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Old 02-16-2007 | 08:02 AM
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Do you have to be a US Citizen or will they hire you with a green card. Maybe Johnnie from Bombay can leave Microsoft to become a pilot now???

How does the FAA allow this ???
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Old 02-16-2007 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by newgrad411
I know quite a few of these PACE grads and they are all very mature, smart, and competent airmen.

I am not a grad, but have seen the product. More of them work the line than you think, and their safety record is excellent.

The program works.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Have you been drinking?
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Old 02-16-2007 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by newgrad411
I know quite a few of these PACE grads and they are all very mature, smart, and competent airmen.

I am not a grad, but have seen the product. More of them work the line than you think, and their safety record is excellent.

The program works.
Maybe their 'excellent safety record' says more for the Captains baby-sitting them than it does for that program pumping out 240hr f/o's in a jet. How much experience can you possibly have with your paper temporary-commercial-airman cert. and no real time?
This whole notion is a sad commentary...
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Old 02-16-2007 | 09:54 AM
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Do you have to be a US Citizen or will they hire you with a green card. Maybe Johnnie from Bombay can leave Microsoft to become a pilot now???

How does the FAA allow this ???
Because, unfourtunately- They're not violating any reg.

Same thing with ExpressJets obsession with 600 hour guys from ALLATPS. It's sickening.

Another great reason why pay is terrible.
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