Flow stats
09-22-2016 | 11:49 AM
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Flow stats
Is there a possibility to get flow stats similar to "most junior captain hire date" on the WO airline page of APC. If not, would someone like to start a page and post the dates the pilots are leaving (not slated to leave) and their hire dates.
09-22-2016 | 11:54 AM
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I care about how many numbers are between me and them.
09-22-2016 | 12:12 PM
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Hire date to flow time is not useful at all to potential new hires when AA didn't hire for a decade and had people on furlough. 16 years for someone to flow who sat through 9/11, the airline industry collapsing, age 65 change, years of no major hiring and the economy tanking is completely irrelevant to someone hired today looking for a projection time.
The big numbers are just used by people that don't have flow trying to scare people or don't understand the difference between those people hired 15-16 years ago and new hires today.
But If you want a number. Envoy has flowed 952 pilots to
AA since 2010. Updated yesterday.
The big numbers are just used by people that don't have flow trying to scare people or don't understand the difference between those people hired 15-16 years ago and new hires today.
But If you want a number. Envoy has flowed 952 pilots to
AA since 2010. Updated yesterday.
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09-22-2016 | 12:26 PM
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I'm just asking for data so that one can track acceleration and not rely on random information from random sources in random locations. Just asking for the information to be centralized and uniform so that one can determine how many people between a pilot that flowed and himself as well as a rough estimation on when an individual will have their number called.
I see no difference in the relationship to "most junior captain hired dates"
09-22-2016 | 12:43 PM
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You do care. It may not be super exciting seeing a guy flow that got hired 14 years ago but that is where it starts. Those numbers will quickly accelerate towards more recent hire dates.
I'm just asking for data so that one can track acceleration and not rely on random information from random sources in random locations. Just asking for the information to be centralized and uniform so that one can determine how many people between a pilot that flowed and himself as well as a rough estimation on when an individual will have their number called.
I see no difference in the relationship to "most junior captain hired dates"
I'm just asking for data so that one can track acceleration and not rely on random information from random sources in random locations. Just asking for the information to be centralized and uniform so that one can determine how many people between a pilot that flowed and himself as well as a rough estimation on when an individual will have their number called.
I see no difference in the relationship to "most junior captain hired dates"
Things would accelerate further if envoy sent more than the minimum each month. Overall they've sent more than the minimum, but not very much over the minimum required.
As far as "time served" going down, once you hit the hiring gaps like '01-'04, you see big drops in "time to flow" numbers.
'04 hires will start flowing early next year I believe.
09-22-2016 | 12:57 PM
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PSA is currently flowing early 2007 hires. There were only 26 pilots hired in 2008 and 2009 combined, so it will drop to 2010 hires pretty soon. That is misleading, however. We have over 400 hires in 2014. So, it will drop quickly, and then go right back up. We are also flowing FAR LESS than Envoy. PDT is flowing less, but they have fewer pilots.
The moral of this story is that seniority is everything. If you got hired in early 2014 as opposed to late 2014, it could be the difference of 4 years in flow time.
Those that got hired in 2009 will be in a great position. They will flow in 8 years from hire.
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