This has happened before, and sadly, will happen again. These same comments and arguments have all happened on this forum after every event. As someone who has made mistakes in life (some of which were rather large) I refuse to throw stones. I sincerely encourage all keyboard warrior saints to just leave this alone. Nothing can or will be said on an online forum to change what happened...just leave this thread to die and leave the pilot to deal with the consequences and rebuilding of his life and career. Let's just all get back to the business of bashing regionals, speculating on potential announcements/flows, and arguing about which regionals suck less than others. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it.

Yet many smart people in other professions, doctors, lawyers and such know better too. But somehow a percentage will also make this mistake. Just because we can read and fly a jet doesn't make us perfect or immune to life's problems.

Good.

We don't need 12 hours bottle-to-throttle any more than we need mandatory rest in domicile prior to starting a trip.

We do a much better job of getting the word out (I know plenty of MDs and JDs and they're mostly oblivious).

Our biggest failing if you want to call it that is in helping each other out. In most of these cases another pilot missed an opportunity to intervene, either the day of, or long before.

Blah blah blah... I lost my mother to alcoholism. I understand very well how it manifests itself into an uncontrollable disease that totally consumes you.

The fact of the matter is this guy showed up for work knowing he wasn't fit for duty. He knew he wasn't allowed to be intoxicated. Even though this is common sense, we're taught these things in basic indoc.

Having a disease doesn't excuse his actions. He still still needs to be held accountable.

I don't think anyone is saying that he shouldn't be held accountable. Where did you get that? He made a mistake as many of us do. Lighten up

Speak for yourself, bro. I've never showed for work intoxicated or extremely fatigued. In fact, I called off my last trip because I was running mild fever with body aches- not fit for duty. It's not difficult.

You're implying he should be excused because he might be suffering from a disease. Read your last post that I rebutted.


If you're daughter, wife, loved one's life was taken at the hands of a drunk driver, how would you react if someone told you, "He made a mistake. Lighten up." ?

Why do you think every state has DWI and DUI laws with zero tolerance? I'm afraid you don't realize how serious this matter is.

Twelve hours is not an ALPA rule. Each airline makes its own policy concerning this. For example, my ALPA airline has an 8 hour policy. Also, it's with the help of ALPA that HIMS exists and is funded every year. Your welcome.

Horizon is 10 hours and not on the same calendar day. Sucks when you arrive at the hotel at 12:01AM and just having a beer can get you fired if caught/ratted on...even if your next show time isn't till 5pm

Yep, you try to push the 8 to 12, or tell us we can't take a water bottle off the plane, we will have pitchforks and a lynch mob in the crew room within an hour.

However, if all you want to do is up the block hours flown during the month of December and send a nice email telling us how important operation credibility is right now, and we better not call of sick when we are CN/PN'ed flying over the holidays, then we will just put our shoulder to the wheel and keep our mouths shut. Now is not the time to discuss how we have kept picking up flying hours from the other airlines over the past year, all while the attrition picks up and training is busting at the seems so much, we need to bypass seniority when awarding upgrades. Just don't have any alcohol on your breath when you call in faigued after working 95 hours plus for the past couple years. At least you will be able to spend more time with the family.

I had waited so long to see the pilot group come together over an issue that really mattered. Too bad more time at home with the families is not going to be that issue. It's really too bad. And best of luck to my fellow aviator. I am in your corner hoping for an acceptable outcome.