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Alphafloor 10-26-2016 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by baldrick (Post 2231949)
In a word, irresponsible.

"Irresponsible" is just one the many unpleasant symptoms of alcohol/drug addiction. This guys life is gonna change and I hope he is giving the opportunity to turn things around. He is gonna need help and not criticism. I hope he gets the help he needs.

DarkSideMoon 10-26-2016 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by John328 (Post 2232118)
One less loser lifer 10 year first officer in Salt Lake. No sympathy for this idiot. If you are stupid enough to throw away your entire career and life for a night in South Dakota, then you deserve exactly what happened to him. He is an embarrassment to our community as pilots, just as the others before him.

I'm guessing the "What do you do if your captain shows up drunk" question in interviews trips you up a lot.

rickair7777 10-26-2016 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by crj700 (Post 2232037)
HIMS offers no protection after the fact.

Actually it does. Not a sure thing but plenty of case studies of folks who got their job back after a conviction and revocation of certs.

Alphafloor 10-26-2016 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by bnkangle (Post 2232145)
If by perfect you mean reporting for work sober every day of your career, I'd say 99.5% of professional pilots are.

Why should this person be shown any compassion? Should drunk drivers who've killed people behind the wheel be shown compassion?

This guy knew he was tanked when he showed up for work. This is the primary issue.

These types of occurrences give all pilots a bad rap and puts us under even more scrutiny. Compassion? I think not.

You have obviously never found yourself helplessly addicted to alcohol or drugs. It's a truly hopeless and pathetic state of existence and once you have reached that stage you no longer have "a choice". I suspect you have lived an easy sheltered life. I envy you,.. Some of us have not been so fortunate.

rickair7777 10-26-2016 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by No Lies (Post 2232072)
What 12 prior? It's been 8 for years as far as I heard.

8 for SKW, 12 for most other airlines.

WhiskeyDelta 10-26-2016 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by John328 (Post 2232118)
One less loser lifer 10 year first officer in Salt Lake. No sympathy for this idiot. If you are stupid enough to throw away your entire career and life for a night in South Dakota, then you deserve exactly what happened to him. He is an embarrassment to our community as pilots, just as the others before him.

Just because you have the power to be an anonymous jackass online doesn't mean you should be one.

Yeah, he made some horrible choices but there's not one person on this board that knows what has been going on in his life.

I say the mods should lock this thread up.

gojo 10-26-2016 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by bnkangle (Post 2232145)
If by perfect you mean reporting for work sober every day of your career, I'd say 99.5% of professional pilots are.

Why should this person be shown any compassion? Should drunk drivers who've killed people behind the wheel be shown compassion?

This guy knew he was tanked when he showed up for work. This is the primary issue.

These types of occurrences give all pilots a bad rap and puts us under even more scrutiny. Compassion? I think not.

Have you ever showed up to work very fatigued? Many pilots do, yet research shows fatigue closely resembles being under the influence of something. Or how about an illness of some sort? Again many pilots do, and worse yet many are self medicating with non FAA approved drugs. The system worked and he was not allowed to fly.

rickair7777 10-26-2016 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by John328 (Post 2232118)
One less loser lifer 10 year first officer in Salt Lake. No sympathy for this idiot. If you are stupid enough to throw away your entire career and life for a night in South Dakota, then you deserve exactly what happened to him. He is an embarrassment to our community as pilots, just as the others before him.


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 2232125)
I wonder what it's like to be perfect? Show some compassion. I hope he can get the help he needs. FYI, the naked pilot from the Harrisburg fiasco is now at Delta. People make mistakes. The trick is learning from them an humbling yourself. It would seem you still haven't learned that lesson

Ten+ years ago I would have had a lot more sympathy, a lot more. I grew up in a different era.

But the memo's been out now for a long time. Anybody who drinks more than a few or inside 8 hours really should know they need to call HIMS...before they get caught.

Just because you're addicted doesn't mean you're stupid. Smart enough to fly a jet? Smart enough to read all those emails and memos. Getting help is easy, you just have to decide to do it.

rickair7777 10-26-2016 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by sqwkvfr (Post 2232075)
I can't be the only one thinking that this might not be the appropriate thread for such a statement....

Let's not confuse someone's illness with my freedom. My sensitivity on this topic expired a number of years ago. EVERYBODY has seen the emails, memos, and the presentation in recurrent.

iFlyRC 10-26-2016 08:06 PM

I was given percocets after surgery. They made me feel extremely well, and when I realized that I wasn't in pain but still taking them, it scared the crap out of me. Flushed them all down the toilet. I am one of the lucky ones. Chemical dependency removes your ability to think straight and rationally. Removes your will power, and self control.
You really need to nip it in the bud before it becomes a problem. The only addictive problem I suffer from that challenges my self control is a Chinese buffet or all you can eat sushi deal. I'm lucky if I can walk out of the restaurant.


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