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Old 02-20-2007 | 10:46 AM
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well then, mainline guys. the ball is in your court. make us proud, secure our futures for us.
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Old 02-20-2007 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Velocipede
This means the RJ is officially dead. The Ejet is here. Management is going to try to fly these things as RJ or sub-RJ rates. If we, as pilots, fall for it, we have no one to blame but ourselves for the downward spiral.

Legacy pilots must demand that Ejets be flown at narrowbody rates by legacy pilots, not regional partners.
OK...what do you suggest 'legacy' pilots do?
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Old 02-20-2007 | 11:30 AM
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legacy pilots can get back whats rightfully theirs the next time negotiations open up, i hope they can do it if the health of the industry continues to improve. speaking of which i hear united is considering going back to the table 2 years early so thats a good sign
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Old 02-20-2007 | 11:30 AM
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yes but aren't these jets actually inefficient according to the Boyd group? I mean at 130 seats you could just start looking into 737s
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Old 02-20-2007 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
i suggest legacy pilots get back whats rightfully theirs the next time negotiations open up
Exactly right. That means enforcing scope clauses. No Ejets for regional operators. Ejets need to be flown by mainline pilots at mainline rates.
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Old 02-20-2007 | 11:32 AM
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well you see thats just it, a 737 will never be looked at as a regional aircraft, anything Embraer or Bombardier makes, regardless of how many seats will always be a regional jet
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Old 02-20-2007 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
well you see thats just it, a 737 will never be looked at as a regional aircraft, anything Embraer or Bombardier makes, regardless of how many seats will always be a regional jet
It will if we subscribe to that thinking. A 100 seat airliner is a mainline jet. That's why they should be referred to as Ejets, not RJs.

They're not RJs. Management calls them that so they can have them operated by feeders at RJ pay.

Call a spade a spade. An Ejet is a mainline jet.
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Old 02-20-2007 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
legacy pilots can get back whats rightfully theirs the next time negotiations open up, i hope they can do it if the health of the industry continues to improve. speaking of which i hear united is considering going back to the table 2 years early so thats a good sign
Here let me paint you a picture.

Management will never come to the table unless they are either a) forced to or b) want something.

With these higher capacity aircraft coming out, and US Air flying 86 seat CRJs, what do you think management wants? Think it could be scope relief?
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Old 02-20-2007 | 11:35 AM
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It is up to mainline and their unions to not allow these to go to the regionals. And yes, there are many cfi's who just can't wait to be airline pilot and would happily fly these planes for nothing. This is evident by Mesa, GoJet and Trans States, Great Lakes, Regions Air, etc. You know the place sucks and you still go there just so you can say you are an airline pilot. Who would want to fly around Colorado in a B1900 for $15/hour without an autopilot?
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Old 02-20-2007 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Velocipede
It will if we subscribe to that thinking. A 100 seat airliner is a mainline jet. That's why they should be referred to as Ejets, not RJs.

They're not RJs. Management calls them that so they can have them operated by feeders at RJ pay.

Call a spade a spade. An Ejet is a mainline jet.
I agree 100%, I would love to see more mainline flying, less RJ flying more mainline jobs
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