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Originally Posted by iflyjets4food
(Post 121328)
If this is true, and ultimately the majors will get out of the domestic arena, then this is just one more reason we need to push for increase in the pay for regional pilots.
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Originally Posted by G-Dog
(Post 121359)
You are seeing this already. Who is filling the void? Spirit, Airtran and others. Spirit not so much as the others cause they really concentrate on the Caribbean, but they have a hat in the ring. Try this for speculation: RAH, Skywest, Express Jet and a few others become the domestic carriers. All flying the 90 to 100 seat jets. Just food for thought.
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 121347)
Why go to the majors? Mainly pay and equipment. Don't go there for QOL because it will take you far longer to gain it.
Not true. I spent 9 years at a regional and was very senior at 9 year CA in the RJ. Now I'm at a major and make the same as a second year FO as I did as a 9 year CA AND get the same days off with about 50 legs less flown per month. I can get more days off too if I wanted. My quality of life improved the day I quit the regional airline. It was also gained faster than at the regional. I know not all majors are the same, but my QOL has improved more than I could have wished for. Why go to the majors? Pay, equipment, and QOL. |
Yeah I fly with some guys that say they dont wanna go to CAL, I think their nuts personally.
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Current Situation
Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 121347)
Most regional RJ CA will make about 60K-65K their first year as CA (Yr 2-3 pay) while toping out around 80K-100K. At the majors you will make 30-60K and as an FO toping out around 100K-140K (as FO). Which is a lot more than a regional CA will ever make AND you're pay schedule will almost coincide with your previous regional pay, that is until you exceed it around Yr 4-7 at the majors. Once you upgrade to CA at the majors you’ll make 130K-240K and I don't ever see any regional paying that to fly RJs. Why go to the majors? Mainly pay and equipment. Don't go there for QOL because it will take you far longer to gain it.
Your numbers are a bit on the optimistic side. A few might earn that much but most are well below that number. The majors and regionals are coming closer together in terms of pay and working conditions. Each time the market takes a negative swing we will loose even more. Jetblue, Airtran and Vrigin are setting the pace for a much lower future for pilots. Skyhigh |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 121386)
Jetblue, Airtran and Vrigin are setting the pace for a much lower future for pilots.
Skyhigh The along come pilots who validate that opinion by going to work for B6, VX and Skybus. Sorry guys, but you'll never get any support from me for kicking the legs out from under the industry UNION pilots have been trying to build for a 75 years. |
Originally Posted by Velocipede
(Post 121392)
Amen. The industry is in decline as far as being an employer goes. We're nothing but bus drivers to airline managers and should be paid the same.
The along come pilots who validate that opinion by going to work for B6, VX and Skybus. Sorry guys, but you'll never get any support from me for kicking the legs out from under the industry UNION pilots have been trying to build for a 75 years. |
There are still too many pilots defending the current system and industry trend. Many of them are just afraid that if they stand up they will hurt their future in flying. We are starting to hit the floor of the industry because nobody is in flight school anymore and they are having increasing trouble finding pilots. How far the current pilots are willing to stretch will determine the future.
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Pilots
Originally Posted by sflpilot
(Post 121411)
There are still too many pilots defending the current system and industry trend. Many of them are just afraid that if they stand up they will hurt their future in flying. We are starting to hit the floor of the industry because nobody is in flight school anymore and they are having increasing trouble finding pilots. How far the current pilots are willing to stretch will determine the future.
I mean haven't you heard? The regionals are hiring!!! SkyHigh |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 121612)
The local FBO might be loosing students however UND, ERAU and ATP can supply our national pilot needs indefinitely. The guy who wants his private for a Saturday $100 hamburger is becoming a thing of the past but people with professional intentions are stronger than ever.
I mean haven't you heard? The regionals are hiring!!! SkyHigh |
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