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ToiletDuck 02-21-2007 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by iflyjets4food (Post 121328)
If this is true, and ultimately the majors will get out of the domestic arena, then this is just one more reason we need to push for increase in the pay for regional pilots.

Out of the domestic arena? Where you do think they are going to go? They won't do JUST international flights when they can still pack a plane with 300 people going from LA to NY.

ToiletDuck 02-21-2007 02:49 PM

If you want to get the QOL for pilots better perhaps ALPA would make more headway urging the insurance companies to up the requirements to keep their premiums down. That would take care of mesa.

sflpilot 02-21-2007 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 122138)
Out of the domestic arena? Where you do think they are going to go? They won't do JUST international flights when they can still pack a plane with 300 people going from LA to NY.

We are not talking about coast to coast stuff. Pretty much every other domestic route though. It will take some time, but that is what they want.

ToiletDuck 02-21-2007 03:13 PM

I don't think so. If there's money to be made they want it. Too many airlines serving too many of the same routes. They just need a merger or two to take care of that then they can dominate. If they merged they could fill more seats and with full seats they'd realize the 737's were more efficient than the RJ's pulling in more per mile. Of course pilots would be losing their jobs, but the legacy guys will hang around. Thats IMHO

SkyHigh 02-21-2007 04:56 PM

Not so
 

Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 121975)
The guys on the sidelines are not getting any younger and the airlines cannot possibly make it worth it for them to come back. They would be starting at entry level seniority, there is just no way. So what we are left with is the new guys.

The regionals love to hire retired hobbyists. They don't require much income at all and work without much argument. At Horizon Air we had all kinds of retired military, police, fire and a few bored millionaire's. They are in it for the benefits and the simple thrill of playing airline pilot. At Horizon Air I remember a retired police officer who was hired at 56.

Besides if they raise the retirement age to 65 then my generation has 25 years left.

Skyhigh

robthree 02-21-2007 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 122192)
The regionals love to hire retired hobbyists. They don't require much income at all and work without much argument. ... They are in it for the benefits and the simple thrill of playing airline pilot.

Too true. In my Eagle new hire class (Nov '06) seven of 16 were 40+.


American has no 100 seat aircraft. The Super 80 hauls around 150 pax and they fly well over 600 of them. The next smaller a/c is the 70 seat CRJ of which Eagle has only 25.

There is a need for 100 seat aircraft. But AMR is using MD80s to service those routes. Once AMR starts to retire those aircraft what will fly the 100 seat routes? AA's expensive new 150 seat aircraft? Or will they contract a regional to provide 90-100 seat lift?

It doesn't take a ERAU education to figure this one out.

sflpilot 02-21-2007 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 122192)
The regionals love to hire retired hobbyists. They don't require much income at all and work without much argument. At Horizon Air we had all kinds of retired military, police, fire and a few bored millionaire's. They are in it for the benefits and the simple thrill of playing airline pilot. At Horizon Air I remember a retired police officer who was hired at 56.

Besides if they raise the retirement age to 65 then my generation has 25 years left.

Skyhigh

That's a very pithy term, "retired hobbyists." Kind of amusing also.

LAfrequentflyer 02-21-2007 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 122207)
That's a very pithy term, "retired hobbyists." Kind of amusing also.

Odd...I read it and thought another of Skyhigh's glib comments.

-LAFF

Ftrooppilot 02-21-2007 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 122207)
That's a very pithy term, "retired hobbyists." Kind of amusing also.

Pithy - We know which Irish program you watch. SO do I.

LAfrequentflyer 02-21-2007 05:44 PM

Then I re-read his post and found its probably all too true and it really bothers me to think that he may be correct...

-LAFF


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