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gloopy 12-01-2016 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2253892)
Keep living in your little bubble pressing buttons and flipping switches. Your own little CEO. Kinda cute if you ask me.

I don't want to be the CEO. The CEO is an at will employee of the BOD, although to be fair in the industry they generally do get amazing parachutes regardless of the circumstances of their departures. Pilots at DL (and UAL and many other airlines) have contracts that bind the airline (and its code) to them far more securely than any executive enjoys. If an airline wants to change their CEO they can do so on a daily basis. If DL, UAL, SWA, etc, even their CEO, wants to deploy the airline's code, he or she may only do so IAW their pilot's contract. Not every pilot group owns their code though. Some aren't even unionized at all, and a few others that are don't have adequate protections in their CBA to own and control it. Good thing DL and many others do.

disillusioned 12-01-2016 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2253802)
A contractual restriction.

I think we have figured out why some are having such a hard time with this concept. SW is used to being able to take parts of their "contract" and just ignoring them. But that is the thing with a true contract. It's legally binding and can be upheld in a court of law. And it can be taken to court by the representatives of the DL pilots. Some are just so used to SW doing whatever they want, they will get spun up over semantics like if the pilots own their code.

GogglesPisano 12-02-2016 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2253892)
Keep living in your little bubble pressing buttons and flipping switches. Your own little CEO. Kinda cute if you ask me.

Gloopy is right.You're practicing sophistry or being deliberately obtuse. Then when you get called on it, you resort to ad hominems.

Admit it, Delta pilots do have a say in who flies what. At least agree that the lawyers and judges agree.

msprj2 12-02-2016 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2254066)
Gloopy is right.You're practicing sophistry or being deliberately obtuse. Then when you get called on it, you resort to ad hominems.

Admit it, Delta pilots do have a say in who flies what. At least agree that the lawyers and judges agree.

Not sure but could Skywest feed for example United with 90 seat ac and feed Delta with 50 seaters or is that against scope for Delta pilots?

Mesabah 12-02-2016 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2254075)
Not sure but could Skywest feed for example United with 90 seat ac and feed Delta with 50 seaters or is that against scope for Delta pilots?

It's against Delta scope, but if it did happen, it would certainly be decided in court what happens. The problem with agreements that put people out of work is they generally get shot down in court, or the Delta pilots would get some sort of monetary scope payout. However, I think if Delta could get rid of Skywest, they would, but at this point in time, they simply can't.

GogglesPisano 12-02-2016 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2254140)
Delta pilots do not own the DL code. They own a vote on their piece of the puzzle. Even you said the same thing earlier. This is not rocket surgery there fella...

Actually I said, it's more than "a vote."

"Not ownership of a "code." More than a vote. A contractual restriction."


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