Republic orders 100 E175s
11-12-2018, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
AA also owns some of the Skywest CRJ's. They are the only aircraft Skywest operates that they do not own.
Mesa's CRJ-900's are the oldest ever built. It's not unfathomable to see them replaced by new orders at PSA or 175's at Envoy.
Mesa's CRJ-900's are the oldest ever built. It's not unfathomable to see them replaced by new orders at PSA or 175's at Envoy.
11-12-2018, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jriveraaw
Mesa’s 900s I’m pretty sure are also owned by AAG. I know they’re leased, as the only plane they own is a little 200 painted white and kept as a last resort standby. I have no idea if this is simply upgrades or what, but they’re getting a nice amount of “NextGen” CRJ 900s that is somewhat appealing.
11-12-2018, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by greendotplus10
Not sure if "Registered Owner" on faa.gov and/or FlightAware has any validity for true ownership. I've looked up a few Eagle birds flying in DFW. Some were "Mesa Airlines, Inc." but others "Wells Fargo Trust", with similar airframe age ('04). Mesa E-jets all seem to be United "owned".
11-12-2018, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by greendotplus10
Not sure if "Registered Owner" on faa.gov and/or FlightAware has any validity for true ownership. I've looked up a few Eagle birds flying in DFW. Some were "Mesa Airlines, Inc." but others "Wells Fargo Trust", with similar airframe age ('04). Mesa E-jets all seem to be United "owned".
11-12-2018, 08:44 AM
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AAG owns some of the Mesa 900s or is the main creditor for them etc... If they wanted to move them from Mesa they could.
I do not believe AAG owns any SkyWest 700s.
AAG is parking all of the CRJ200s at PSA and replacing them with CRJ900NGs beginning 2019 and likely culminating 2021/2022.
The 175s at Compass will likely come back in-house to Envoy at some point. I know this has been said for a long while now but there is no reason AAG wouldn’t want these at Envoy. I think more of this will play out once TSH is either broken up and sold or purchased by someone outright. I believe that if Republic had been successful in purchasing Compass the 175s would have likely stayed at RAH. Now I think it’s more likely than ever that Envoy will get those 175s back.
Piedmont and the 145s is still a bit of a question mark. They were originally told that they would be getting 175s but the story I heard was that the FAA wouldn’t certify them to go to a 175 from the Dash8, so the compromise was to fly 145s? But there will always be a market on the east coast for a 50-seat or smaller light jet to serve many of the prolific smaller markets that simply don’t support a larger aircraft.
The way I see it is Envoy will eventually fly primarily the 175. PSA will fly the 700/900. And Piedmont will fly 145s until they decide to do something else with them. Republic will fly 175s and SkyWest will fly CRJs for AAG. All others I think are uncertain.
I also wouldn’t count out the possibility of AAG purchasing another regional at some point and making them a WO. As their retirements really hit the accelerator they may be looking at ways to not only secure more reliable regional feed but also a cost-effective pipeline to fill their mainline aircraft...
I do not believe AAG owns any SkyWest 700s.
AAG is parking all of the CRJ200s at PSA and replacing them with CRJ900NGs beginning 2019 and likely culminating 2021/2022.
The 175s at Compass will likely come back in-house to Envoy at some point. I know this has been said for a long while now but there is no reason AAG wouldn’t want these at Envoy. I think more of this will play out once TSH is either broken up and sold or purchased by someone outright. I believe that if Republic had been successful in purchasing Compass the 175s would have likely stayed at RAH. Now I think it’s more likely than ever that Envoy will get those 175s back.
Piedmont and the 145s is still a bit of a question mark. They were originally told that they would be getting 175s but the story I heard was that the FAA wouldn’t certify them to go to a 175 from the Dash8, so the compromise was to fly 145s? But there will always be a market on the east coast for a 50-seat or smaller light jet to serve many of the prolific smaller markets that simply don’t support a larger aircraft.
The way I see it is Envoy will eventually fly primarily the 175. PSA will fly the 700/900. And Piedmont will fly 145s until they decide to do something else with them. Republic will fly 175s and SkyWest will fly CRJs for AAG. All others I think are uncertain.
I also wouldn’t count out the possibility of AAG purchasing another regional at some point and making them a WO. As their retirements really hit the accelerator they may be looking at ways to not only secure more reliable regional feed but also a cost-effective pipeline to fill their mainline aircraft...
11-12-2018, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Nh114
I don’t believe SkyWest flys any AA owned. And Mesas oldest 900 is 15 years, that’s not all that old.
11-12-2018, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I also wouldn’t count out the possibility of AAG purchasing another regional at some point and making them a WO. As their retirements really hit the accelerator they may be looking at ways to not only secure more reliable regional feed but also a cost-effective pipeline to fill their mainline aircraft...
11-12-2018, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
AAG owns some of the Mesa 900s or is the main creditor for them etc... If they wanted to move them from Mesa they could.
I do not believe AAG owns any SkyWest 700s.
AAG is parking all of the CRJ200s at PSA and replacing them with CRJ900NGs beginning 2019 and likely culminating 2021/2022.
The 175s at Compass will likely come back in-house to Envoy at some point. I know this has been said for a long while now but there is no reason AAG wouldn’t want these at Envoy. I think more of this will play out once TSH is either broken up and sold or purchased by someone outright. I believe that if Republic had been successful in purchasing Compass the 175s would have likely stayed at RAH. Now I think it’s more likely than ever that Envoy will get those 175s back.
Piedmont and the 145s is still a bit of a question mark. They were originally told that they would be getting 175s but the story I heard was that the FAA wouldn’t certify them to go to a 175 from the Dash8, so the compromise was to fly 145s? But there will always be a market on the east coast for a 50-seat or smaller light jet to serve many of the prolific smaller markets that simply don’t support a larger aircraft.
The way I see it is Envoy will eventually fly primarily the 175. PSA will fly the 700/900. And Piedmont will fly 145s until they decide to do something else with them. Republic will fly 175s and SkyWest will fly CRJs for AAG. All others I think are uncertain.
I also wouldn’t count out the possibility of AAG purchasing another regional at some point and making them a WO. As their retirements really hit the accelerator they may be looking at ways to not only secure more reliable regional feed but also a cost-effective pipeline to fill their mainline aircraft...
I do not believe AAG owns any SkyWest 700s.
AAG is parking all of the CRJ200s at PSA and replacing them with CRJ900NGs beginning 2019 and likely culminating 2021/2022.
The 175s at Compass will likely come back in-house to Envoy at some point. I know this has been said for a long while now but there is no reason AAG wouldn’t want these at Envoy. I think more of this will play out once TSH is either broken up and sold or purchased by someone outright. I believe that if Republic had been successful in purchasing Compass the 175s would have likely stayed at RAH. Now I think it’s more likely than ever that Envoy will get those 175s back.
Piedmont and the 145s is still a bit of a question mark. They were originally told that they would be getting 175s but the story I heard was that the FAA wouldn’t certify them to go to a 175 from the Dash8, so the compromise was to fly 145s? But there will always be a market on the east coast for a 50-seat or smaller light jet to serve many of the prolific smaller markets that simply don’t support a larger aircraft.
The way I see it is Envoy will eventually fly primarily the 175. PSA will fly the 700/900. And Piedmont will fly 145s until they decide to do something else with them. Republic will fly 175s and SkyWest will fly CRJs for AAG. All others I think are uncertain.
I also wouldn’t count out the possibility of AAG purchasing another regional at some point and making them a WO. As their retirements really hit the accelerator they may be looking at ways to not only secure more reliable regional feed but also a cost-effective pipeline to fill their mainline aircraft...
What is the plan for pulling out seats at PSA and other regionals to increase large RJ scope. How many do they have left to do?
I see that as the only way to increase large RJ scope. I don't see the big three giving up scope in next years section 6. AA specifically is tied to narrowbody airframes which is set to actually decrease slightly next year before going up slightly in 2020 or 21. No big changes and with oil going up it will be interesting to see what happens. it might be shifting large RJ's from one regional to the next depending if they can staff.
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