Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2885392)

You’re 100% correct that APA would not put any effort into giving up anything of ours to get you better jumpseat priority.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2885382)

When I don’t get a Jumpseat on a plane doing my company’s flying and a UAL guy does... it is.

Originally Posted by KCaviator (Post 2885294)

These mainline guys are all talk. These are the same dudes that talk a big game about scope, yet when they’re given the chance of taking money vs holding the line, they’ll take the money and run 10 times out of 10. A new boat is more important than contracting out additional jobs. They care about one thing and one thing only: themselves.

Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8 (Post 2885403)

I'm of the opinion that if you are absolutely prohibited from listing as a D6 at the gate (not that your gate agents don't want to do so, but that you are prevented from doing so like you are online), then we are no longer seeking something reciprocal, and should therefore find another solution to this. If this turns out to be the case (which I don't believe it is), I will do my part to try to seek a different solution on our end on behalf of your pilot group.

Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8 (Post 2885403)

We're not denying you the jumpseat. We're giving the American pilots the same deal the powers that be in AA mgt give us.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2885449)

Fixed it for you. Next time a republic manager decides to cancel a flight I’ll deny a republic jumpseater or at least give it to a UAL guy. That makes a lot of sense, right?

Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8 (Post 2885475)

You're either being willfully obtuse or not understanding the situation.



We currently don't get priority over OAL on your metal. Now, you don't get priority over OAL on our metal. It's really that simple. We're not punishing you any more than you're not punishing us. We're not denying an AA guy the jumpseat. If you get there first, awesome, we're glad to have you.

Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2885482)

Dude. It’s the way your people are going about this. It’s insane to take hostages.

If this goes through I can’t wait to see what happens after the first incident where an oal gets the jump over an AA pilot on an AA branded flight.

I know what’s going to happen. But is sure is going to be entertaining.

Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8 (Post 2885492)

We are not taking hostages! That's what you guys can't seem to understand. Your priority is being lowered to the same priority you give us. That's not hostage-taking. Hostage-taking would be denying you the jumpseat on our flights, something we have absolutely zero desire to do.

The fact you think y'all are entitled to our jumpseat on planes we own without reciprocity is the worst part of the mainline guys' reactions to this.

Originally Posted by DoNoHarm (Post 2885495)

You may own the airplanes, but you don't own the flying. Big difference.

Originally Posted by DoNoHarm (Post 2885495)

You may own the airplanes, but you don't own the flying. Big difference.

Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8 (Post 2885475)

You're either being willfully obtuse or not understanding the situation.

We currently don't get priority over OAL on your metal. Now, you don't get priority over OAL on our metal. It's really that simple. We're not punishing you any more than you're not punishing us. We're not denying an AA guy the jumpseat. If you get there first, awesome, we're glad to have you.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2885509)

How are the American PILOTS responsible?
Again......THE PILOTS?

This is between you, your mgt and our mgt.

Not us.

Clear enough?

Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8 (Post 2885527)

Take it up with our MGMT. See how that falls on deaf ears?

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2885532)

I believe our mgt did take it up with your mgt. Thats why your policy isn’t going into place.

Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8 (Post 2885527)

By that same line of thinking, then, the Republic PILOTS aren't responsible for what we're being asked to do with respect to OUR jumpseat priority. We're just following instructions.



Take it up with our MGMT. See how that falls on deaf ears?



What you haven't seen is our MGMT spending literal years trying to get your MGMT to change something to no avail.



So, again, what would you have us (collectively) do? We're fighting for something we think is fair/right. We've exhausted all other options to maintain the status quo for your pilot group. How else do you want us to make ourselves heard?



I genuinely believe that you deserve priority on our airplanes (honestly, whether or not they're painted with Eagle paint, but let's just start with the ones that do have Eagle paint). Just like I honestly believe we deserve priority over OAL pilots on your planes.



You guys have it (priority), we don't. So from where y'all sit in your ivory tower, little-old Republic is coming along making lives a little bit harder for AA guys (and I want to again reiterate this is all based on the acting assumption that, irrespective of what is being said elsewhere, that AA guys are able to list at the gate for a YX dba American Eagle jumpseat using something other than an FDJ). And you're bothered by that without realizing that it's been our reality for years. We've been asked to jump through the same hoops we're asking you to jump through now. We've been screwed out of jumpseats we felt should've gone to us for years. The same fear you guys now have of being left behind for an OAL pilot.



The only tactic we have left is to make y'all realize our reality. Reciprocity. And if you don't like this reciprocity, which I can't say I blame you (since again, we've been dealing with it for years), you can go to your management and say this treatment is bulls*it and we should raise YX's (and all other AAC pilots') priority so that they re-raise ours. It's why we're in this position to begin with. We've tried with no success.



I've asked and asked what we were supposed to do to get AA's attention, and no one has had an answer. I agree with you that taking it out on the AA Pilots is not what we want. It's not your fault the situation is what it is. But we've both been caught in the crossfire. And despite that, our last resort is only to make y'all feel our pain, not to deny anyone the jumpseat.

Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2885544)

tldr

Republic pilots are acting like little kids. The end.

Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2885544)

tldr

Republic pilots are acting like little kids. The end.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2885532)

I believe our mgt did take it up with your mgt. Thats why your policy isn’t going into place.

Originally Posted by Tring (Post 2885572)

Insults are generally what people do when they have no other argument. I’m totally up for a discussion if you want one.


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Originally Posted by Web265 (Post 2885580)

If you believe that, why are you still pounding on the keyboard?

Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2885584)

I’ve said multiple times that i think you guys deserve some sort of priority over oal.

However, i vehemently disagree with bringing AA pilots into your fight. It’s wrong.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2885596)

Trying to understand your guys thoughts. 99% of us didn’t know this was even the case for you guys. As much work as you did you didn’t seem to spread the word very well.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2885596)

Trying to understand your guys thoughts. 99% of us didn’t know this was even the case for you guys. As much work as you did you didn’t seem to spread the word very well.

Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2885584)

I’ve said multiple times that i think you guys deserve some sort of priority over oal.

However, i vehemently disagree with bringing AA pilots into your fight. It’s wrong.

Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1 (Post 2886477)

Is it not the AA pilots leaving the gate with OAL pilots over republic pilots?


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Originally Posted by dera (Post 2885031)

Piedmont is part of AAG. Republic is a third party contractor.
Totally different situation.

Originally Posted by dckpck (Post 2886588)

from what I understand RAH is also part owned now by AA.

Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2885544)

tldr

Republic pilots are acting like little kids. The end.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2885596)

Trying to understand your guys thoughts. 99% of us didn’t know this was even the case for you guys. As much work as you did you didn’t seem to spread the word very well.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2885382)

When I don’t get a Jumpseat on a plane doing my company’s flying and a UAL guy does... it is.

Originally Posted by Bloggs (Post 2887437)

And yet you have no problem putting a United guy on your Jumpseat in front of a pilot that flies American passenger?

Nice.

Originally Posted by Bloggs (Post 2887437)

And yet you have no problem putting a United guy on your Jumpseat in front of a pilot that flies American passenger?

Nice.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2887886)

What's dense is you, you want a rah pilot flying delta flights to have priority on an aa flight, not going to happen.
You want all rah pilots to have an aac fdj for higher priority, even those that are not flying aa flights but are working delta an ual flights. How do you find that fare.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2887886)

What's dense is you, you want a rah pilot flying delta flights to have priority on an aa flight, not going to happen.
You want all rah pilots to have an aac fdj for higher priority, even those that are not flying aa flights but are working delta an ual flights. How do you find that fare.