Not a smart move
 

Starting a jumpseat war is never a good idea.

lol, someone is butthurt

We got sick of getting left behind while JetBlue and spirit pilots would get the jumpseat because of an IT issue. AA management needs to get their IT **** in order. It’s my understanding that they use that excuse to not implement parts of your contract as well, total BS. I agree that jumpseat wars are not the way, but something had to be done.


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AA “has recently indicated they want to work with us towards an acceptable solution...” When both parties are willingly negotiating, that’s not a war.

Sometimes you have to nut up and draw a line. We did with UA and they backed down.

Taking it out on the AA pilot group who had nothing to do with this is not the way to do it.

It hasn’t even gone into effect yet, and it has been delayed until Oct 1. So hopefully AA and republic can get an agreement done and no one gets left behind. The gate agents can list you as D6, but they’re normally too lazy to do it.


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Yea I’m sure you guys will come to your senses. This is inanity.

What is insanity is AA not allowing our AAC listings to be changed to AAC FDJ. If they would just do that then there wouldn’t even be a discussion and OAL pilots wouldn’t go ahead of us for the JS.


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Why, exactly, should AA pilots get priority on our aircraft when it doesn’t work the other way around?

Yea. Don’t take your management issue out on the pilot group. We are literally a third party who agrees you should get what you’re asking for. But doing it this way isn’t right.

See my other posts and stop acting like a child.

I agree to an extent, but how would you propose we fix this otherwise? We have been trying for 3 years!


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Thanks for answering my question like an adult. Good facts; solid support.

I’d have a lot more respect for the republic guys if they just said “yea we’re going to screw the aa pilots who have nothing to do with this just to get what we want.”

All the excuses for what you’re doing are dumb.

You’re completely ignoring that we have been getting screwed for years...


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Update... back to the way it was:

Jumpseat/Non-Rev Alert: Republic Airways Update

This morning, American Airlines management and Republic Airways reached an agreement to defer the previously announced jumpseat action by Republic Airways. Long-standing AA policy of priority list order to determine jumpseat priority on the non-wholly owned regionals will be honored by all.

It never was to begin with. No changes were ever actually enacted. AA asked for more time, and according to our guys, they are working toward a solution instead of giving us the typical TBNT.

AA management came to their senses.


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What fight have YOU done for us? Quit claiming your an innocent bystander when you have literally been content with maintaining the status quo of you having a priority while we don't receive any priority. That is not a reciprocal agreement. Not even close to being one.

It's not a jumpseat war when we will literally begin following the agreement to the T as it was written. For three years our jumpseat committee has been trying to have this fixed... For those three years, we still continued to take AA pilots over other pilots in our jumpseat. You had plenty of chances to stand up for us, but instead your jumpseat committee and AA felt it was more important to take a JetBlue, Delta, United, SWA, Fedex, Netjets, etc pilots in the jumpseat instead of a pilot who directly supports the AA network.

It amazing how when we are actually going to begin enforcing it, that all the sudden AA decides to come to their sense and might actually come to the table over the issue... our Enforcement is still on btw, it's only been pushed back. Republic has given AA an extra two weeks to negotiate a solution, otherwise come October 1st, you will still need to list as a D6 within an hour of departure time just like everyone else.

Ok, you have priority on your own metal as everyone else. You wish aac fdj to get above the d6uj. But want american pilots to be d6uj on american flights operated by rah, if this happens let me know. Your not running republic flight your operating aa american flight, aa has priority in front of others except rah pilots on there own metal. Check in faster.

Do you not understand how reciprocity works? We’re literally asking for the same thing you’re saying you should get. That’s why this all started.


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If we’re operating American flights, as you say, then we should also receive priority over other OAL pilots on mainline flights then. It’s that simple.

Oh man. Folks, this has been hashed out ad nauseam already on the AA forum. Two camps yelling the same stuff for way way too long. I got tired of it long ago, as did many others I assume.

Can we please just give it a rest?

Crazy...

Really? Is this gonna be another 500 post thread about complete nonsense like the one on the AA board? If AA pilots have an issue with this, take it up with your ****ing management. We did with ours. Don’t be a ***** and try to pin this on our pilot group like we’re to blame.

Reciprocity is a cute word when the other party has 1300 jumpseats to offer and the other has 80.

Well by your logic then, the wholly-owned golden child named Piedmont should receive the same priority as us then since they only have 50 or so planes.

Your are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Republic has about 190 aircraft. They allow AAG pilots to JS on Delta and UAL painted a/c. Perhaps they should restrict AAG pilots to AA paint. Would that make you happy?

Reciprocity≠Parity

Not a good tactic. This thread should be shut down.


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For once I am actually quoting your post in agreement.


Maybe we should have a beer sometime.


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Piedmont is part of AAG. Republic is a third party contractor.
Totally different situation.

Defer: To put off (an action or event) to a later time; postpone.
"They deferred the decision until October 1st”.

Sounds like AA asked for more time to come up with a solution. I’m sure everyone will find out who “won” this argument soon enough.

Wait? Republic flies 190 aircraft for AA? Thought so.

We can't list on any of the DL/UA flights apart from listing at the gate.
You seek "reciprocity", but can only offer 80 jumpseats outside the gate pecking order. The fact that you operate a bunch of DL/UA flights does not affect this reciprocity in any way, shape or form.

I’m all for you guys getting better priority (most of us probably are). My beef was the poor way you guys went about getting it done. If republic is responsible for a scope violation... I’m not going kick you off the jumpseat.

You do realize that 99.9% of us had no say whatsoever in how this was handled, right? Saying “you guys” is grossly inaccurate. A couple guys with the union decided this and went forward with it.

It has been asked a plethora of times how we should've gone about it differently. No one from AA has offered up a suggestion that hasn't already been tried. In fact, a majority of you even admit you had no idea this was going on.

And color me skeptical, but with all the patronizing, elitist, holier-than-thou attitudes I've seen from your colleagues on the other thread, I have my serious doubts whether any type of informational campaign would have done a thing. After all, we're just regional scum with only 80 jumpseats to offer you. I guess we'll never know.

Lost in all of this seems to be the notion we're fighting not just for YX, but for all of AAC.

It's not a war, it's a reciprocal agreement.

These mainline guys are all talk. These are the same dudes that talk a big game about scope, yet when they’re given the chance of taking money vs holding the line, they’ll take the money and run 10 times out of 10. A new boat is more important than contracting out additional jobs. They care about one thing and one thing only: themselves.

When I don’t get a Jumpseat on a plane doing my company’s flying and a UAL guy does... it is.

You’re 100% correct that APA would not put any effort into giving up anything of ours to get you better jumpseat priority.