Originally Posted by Pony Express (Post 2898415)

You missed the point entirely, a change to an FOM approved by the FAA will have little or no bearing in a civil case as it is not considered legislature. An FOM change is not rules upon by a judge and is not legal precedent.

A judge doesnt care about any pilot "making the walk" per 121.547. The entire basis of this disagreement will be on the intent and letter of the contract, what parts were amenable and when, and the current interpretation and impact.

If AAG sues over this, which is laughably unlikely, it will not be debated over the control limits of FOM revisions. It will more likely fall under the agreements that AAG had with RAH regarding jumpseat listing and priority. FAR 121, or any FARs for that matter, will not be a basis or brought up at all.

If the contract stated jumpseat priority was to be dealt with in a certain way, and it is not being dealt with in the way outlined in the contract between AAG, and RAH, that is what the basis of a breach of contract lawsuit will be based upon. The contract between AAG and RAH is not by any means a FAR, it wont be judged as an FAR, it wont be ruled upon by the same manner FARs are ruled upon (NPRM, waiting periods, etc). The FAA and RAHs FOM are not a legal defense.

This is all a moot point, AAGs legal team is more likely being paid for defense against claims from passengers, carbon taxes, etc. Anybody within AAG knows that the CEO doesnt give 2 ****s about how easy their pilots lives are, let alone something as insignificant as JS priority. No lawsuit will be filed and it will probably be hashed out by the unions or management.

Once again, i side with the RAH pilots on this, but thinking that the FOM revision is a golden bullet is foolish.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2898489)

So....UAL is dumping republics priority now. Any reason?

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2898489)

So....UAL is dumping republics priority now. Any reason?

Originally Posted by ORD170 (Post 2898584)

Its probably part of the new Aviate program that United just started. Pretty sure Republic isn’t part of the program, but neither is Skywest. We are suppose to provide non-rev passes to Destination 225 at southwest, so I assume this is probably the same thing. Probably not a Jumpseat issue, but a higher priority for non-rev. This shouldn’t be surprising, because even the interns have a higher priority then the regionals.

Originally Posted by fortyeight (Post 2898676)

Wait what’s going on? Our priority on UA just got LOWER?

Good thing Republic has a solid commuter clause. Oh wait....

Originally Posted by fortyeight (Post 2898676)

Wait what’s going on? Our priority on UA just got LOWER?

Good thing Republic has a solid commuter clause. Oh wait....

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2899098)

Your JS priority is a carry over from when RAH was all separate little companies like Chautauqua and Shuttle and each did the CPA flying for a branded mainline. A Chautauqua guy didn't get priority boarding on all three mainlines.....

This probably won't end well for RAH.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2899098)

Your JS priority is a carry over from when RAH was all separate little companies like Chautauqua and Shuttle and each did the CPA flying for a branded mainline. A Chautauqua guy didn't get priority boarding on all three mainlines.....

This probably won't end well for RAH.

Originally Posted by Meow1215 (Post 2899427)

What exactly did UA do to YX? Is this like the AA JS thing or something with non-rev priority?

Originally Posted by Burt123 (Post 2899438)

They’re attempting to downgrade YX to OAL priority for the JS. They are doing the same for OO and Mesa as well. They have tried this in the past and we’re not successful at all. UA is doing everything they can to prop up their new all star ‘Aviate’ regionals.

Originally Posted by Burt123 (Post 2899438)

They’re attempting to downgrade YX to OAL priority for the JS. They are doing the same for OO and Mesa as well. They have tried this in the past and we’re not successful at all. UA is doing everything they can to prop up their new all star ‘Aviate’ regionals.

Originally Posted by fortyeight (Post 2899591)

YX and OO are probably the best performing and most reliable regionals and we constantly get the short end. The whole regional model is ridiculous. The sooner you get out of a regional the better. United loves hitching their cart to a crap horse.

Originally Posted by captande (Post 2899679)

That’s because you’re the whipsaw. Only kept around to ensure the WOs don't get too much bargaining power.

Originally Posted by Burt123 (Post 2899138)

YX crews do the flying for ALL 3 codeshares REGARDLESS where they are based which is why priority on all 3 is viable. Unlike OO, where their base does flying for a specific partner ONLY. AA will not be able to keep what they have successfully due to YX’s JS committee. This UA thing is a non issue and was tried unsuccessfully in the past, but this time there’s 3 regional partners dealing with the same problem so good luck to UA.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 2899734)

OO is only base specific for AA and Alaska flying. UA/DL is done interchangeably out of almost all bases. also reserves from a non AA/AS bases can be and are frequently used to cover AA/AS flights

Originally Posted by fortyeight (Post 2899591)

YX and OO are probably the best performing and most reliable regionals and we constantly get the short end. The whole regional model is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Meow1215 (Post 2899911)

There is allot of issues with the first part of your statement. For starters, OO isn’t the best at anything but being cheap and coincidentally flying slow. YX does have pretty good numbers, but some of the WOs exceed some of those metrics. YX also tends to cost more than a WO, that’s a very important metric for the BoDs answering to stockholders.

Short end of the stick, you have 3 masters, none of them want to risk providing an advantage to their rival. That’s the downfall to being a mega regional.

The second part, yep - C scale wages.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2900174)

Add to that the fact that most JS agreements only have priority carve outs for their own employees. Different from non-rev travel benefit agreements. Giving priority to one OAL over another probably violates those JS agreements. Hard to tell a Southwest guy that’s been checked in that the regional OAL that just ran up to list is getting the JS ahead of him on the basis of a corporate interest that doesn’t exist in the “reciprocal” JS agreement. It’s a breech of fair reciprocal to all other OAL’s. I’ve only read a few JS agreements so far, but I haven’t seen any super priority for non-employees in any yet.

Originally Posted by Burt123 (Post 2899138)

Unlike OO, where their base does flying for a specific partner ONLY

Originally Posted by ORD170 (Post 2900382)

This thread should be closed, because it’s already been announced that Republic and AA management have agreed to implement the requested changes.

Originally Posted by Burt123 (Post 2899739)

Then why don’t all OO pilots get benefits on all 4 carriers then? Sounds like a **** deal to me.

Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2901104)

It’s official SKW/YX/YV have lower priority on UA/UAX Jumpseats.

Originally Posted by Viking6 (Post 2901149)

I saw a copy of that memo! Sucks for republics peps, but at least they get a flow. Just so crazy!

Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2901104)

It’s official SKW/YX/YV have lower priority on UA/UAX Jumpseats.

Originally Posted by TogaParty (Post 2901256)

New priority from the memo we got.
UA flight:
1) UA pilots
2) exclusive UAX carriers (ExpressJet, TSA, Air Wisc, Commutair)
3) non exclusive UAX (only Gojet)
4) every other pilot (AA, Delta, SWA etc.) by time of checkin including SKW, YX and YV pilots.

It looks like Gojet was the only non exclusive UAX carrier to sign the new JS agreement hence their higher priority for now. The other 3 will have to sign to be placed in the same category/priority.

Originally Posted by TogaParty (Post 2901256)

New priority from the memo we got.
UA flight:
1) UA pilots
2) exclusive UAX carriers (ExpressJet, TSA, Air Wisc, Commutair)
3) non exclusive UAX (only Gojet)
4) every other pilot (AA, Delta, SWA etc.) by time of checkin including SKW, YX and YV pilots.

It looks like Gojet was the only non exclusive UAX carrier to sign the new JS agreement hence their higher priority for now. The other 3 will have to sign to be placed in the same category/priority.

Originally Posted by Rahlifer (Post 2901330)

Well, looks like the IBT didn’t consider the repercussions of their little schoolyard scrap with AA. I think it’s a safe bet to say Delta will soon follow suit and reorganize their priority list as well.

Originally Posted by fortyeight (Post 2901344)

What a That’s the last time I hustle to get an aircraft out in that ridiculous 29 minute min turn window. My stroll from A to C in EWR just got a little bit slower, maybe with a pit stop along the way. They want to treat us like OAL pilots while we support their crap product on a daily basis? Good luck.

United just ****ed off the two largest pilot groups that support their regional operation.

Originally Posted by fortyeight (Post 2901344)

What a That’s the last time I hustle to get an aircraft out in that ridiculous 29 minute min turn window. My stroll from A to C in EWR just got a little bit slower, maybe with a pit stop along the way. They want to treat us like OAL pilots while we support their crap product on a daily basis? Good luck.

United just ****ed off the two largest pilot groups that support their regional operation.

Originally Posted by ORD170 (Post 2901355)

I don’t see how this compares to the AA issue. United decided to create a separate category for Aviate regionals (like WO at AA), but they will still give some priority to Republic, which would put them above a OAL pilot. It sounds like Republic just hasn’t signed the new agreement, so they don’t have the priority yet.

Originally Posted by Burt123 (Post 2901349)

The IBT JS committee has already been aware of this and in discussions for the past week. They also have OO and YV onboard together as well. UA will not benefit with this as there will be reciprocal action on three regional carriers targeted. Sucks to be a commuter, but with OO and YX the largest UAX carriers, mainline will feel it.

Side note: Comparing this UA action to AA’s ongoing dilemma is comparing apples to oranges. Last I checked YX was not on a non-reciprocal UA JS agreement. Now they are and will reciprocate.

Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 2901354)

I'd be careful of what you say on a public forum. Sounds like you are encouraging a "slowdown" of operations. Not smart.