So, are we at AA going to receive priority on your Delta/United Republic flights ahead of that frontier pilot as well?

The current arrangement has been totally one sided this entire time, screwing over YX pilots in favor of AAG pilots in every single scenario. What's more ridiculous is how your pilot group has handled it. We're not even asking for priority over you, we're asking for priority over the airlines that do nothing to serve AAG. But of course, the AAG pilots can't stand this, that a regional would ask for equal respect. How ridiculous right? We're sick and tired of it, and now we're doing something about it.

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The way you're handling it childish, but let's set that aside for a second.

Explain again how an AA goes ahead of the Frontier pilot on a Delta flight operated by Republic. That doesn't sound accurate. We list at the gate at Delta and are considered OAL just like anyone else, no?

Edit: you seem to have removed the portion about how AA already goes ahead of that frontier pilot on Delta or Untied.

Yeah I misread your post and corrected mine in response. The only childish behavior has been coming from the AAG pilots. We haven't even had to make a single AAG pilot list as a D6 and all 15000 pilots are already kicking and screaming about it, and it's the YX pilots acting childish? Despite having to deal with that for years? Okay bud lol. You don't go ahead of F9, because you don't move Delta passengers for Delta Air Lines. We do. Which is exactly why we should have priority over that same said pilot on an AA flight, because they don't move AA pax, once again we do. Obviously own metal should come first, then eagle carriers or mainline, then OAL. Which still gives you priority over us on all other AA flights. But no, that's not good enough is it? You have to get greedy and have it all your way?

Lots of big fellas with big keyboard balls at AA!

This is just becoming comical at this point. You guys all want a heightened priority on AA as a result of the relationship with our company. But you seem to think that this relationship only works one way lol. How do you not see that if you get priority on all of our company Jumpseats, we should get the same on yours? Has nothing to do with us moving Delta pilots or not; we don't get priority in the cabin. YOU guys brought up reciprocity. So how are you gonna argue that you contribute to the AA bottom line and deserve priority but that the relationship only goes one way and that AA pilots don't deserve equal priority on all of your company metal, including Delta and United? Ridiculous...

Had you actually discussed these items with the AA group you would encounter some agreement, and some disagreement (like I have with the above logic) but at least there would be a dialog. Instead, you moved on your own and angered 20000 pilots in the process. I get that you think it is justified, but I can't see how you think this was the most effective approach.

That relationship does only work one way, because you don't fly for UA and DL operations as well, like we do! This isn't about getting priority over your JS. Your JS on your metal is still yours. Our beef isn't with the AAG pilots, it's with the OAL pilots on AA metal. THAT'S IT! So let me get this straight, you're saying you want priority on your own JS (own metal), on Eagle flights not operated by YX(RPA) and Delta and United flights? Now that would be fair to you?? I really don't understand why that's so difficult. 27456 pilots between UA and DL seem to agree with our priority, it's exclusively AAG that doesn't. By the way our union is already talking with AA. We tried before we strong armed everyone and nobody listened. Once again, it's the AA pilots that left YX pilots at the gate, scolded them when they non-revved in uniform for not checking in (the same not one single AA pilot ever does on our metal), and took UA, F9, B6 et al pilots before us, for years. I won't shed a single tear over you.

"The relationship does only work one way" - your words. It takes a special kind of entitlement to reach this milestone, I have to say. It doesn't matter what passengers we fly, the cabin priority remains intact. You all keep yelling about how you contribute to the AA bottom line and as a result of that relationship you deserve priority. I will be happy to advocate for that cause if we get the same priority on all of your company metal, some of your own co-workers agree with that exact Jumpseat reciprocity.

Had you brought it that way to the group I would have no issue writing my reps on your behalf. I think it was a miscalculation the way it was done, but that is for all of you to decide.

The reason his logic demands reciprocal JS priority for all YX flights (rather than just AAL flights coded flights) is that many Republic pilots on this forum have repeatedly claimed that the JS is totally different than travel privileges in the back. Everyone seems fine with AAG’s priority for the cabin being whatever it wants, but the problem comes with the JS. Fine.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a YX pilot on here saying that “it doesn’t matter that it’s an AA flight number...THAT’S OUR METAL SO IT’S OUR JS!”

Okay, so following that logic, we’ve established that the JS is a YX JS due to being installed on their own metal, regardless of which airline has their name painted on the side. Reciprocity then demands that if AA gives special priority to YX pilots on all AA metal jumpseats, then YX must give special priority to AA pilots on YX metal jumpseats. According to your own people on this forum, the name on the side of the plane doesn’t matter, just the metal in which the JS is installed.

So, if we give you JS priority over OAL on our fleet, then we get priority on the YX fleet.

What? Who said that? It's only our JS if it's our metal. Everyone here knows that...

According to your logic, you're saying that because we should have priority over OAL on AA flights, that you should have priority over everyone else on all YX flights? How about only for AA flights operated by YX? Wait, you already have that... that's exactly the issue here. AAG pilots and management want to constantly double-dip and have a "my way or the highway" mentality with the JS. RPA pilots are sick and tired of this BS bogus agreement and made a decision on our own.

Nice job completely removing my sentence from it's context, and deleting the part that you didn't like hearing because it didn't suit your narrative. We want a fair agreement. The unfairness has been swaying in the favor of AAG and it's pilots for years. Was it a strong reaction from our union? Sure, I won't debate that. Were there other avenues? Yeah, maybe. But we support our union, because at RPA we support each other as a pilot group as a whole. We're tired of being bumped by an F9, B6, WN whoever guy on AA flights and getting left behind, after just moving a bunch of AA passengers, ontime or early. Working hard, when your operation drops the ball, only to be ****ed on by your pilots when we try to get home. Despite what AAG pilots keep acting like, we aren't asking to have priority over them, we're simply asking for priority over OAL. AAG pilots already get this on AA flights. There isn't something that YX needs to change, the only change needs to come from AAG. It's already in your favor.

Got it. So you want priority over OAL on our Jumpseats, but won't extend that same reciprocal courtesy. Yeah... That's gonna be a big fat NO from most of this group.

You ALREADY have that on our JS. If it's you or an F9, guess what, it's your JS!

Not on all of them.

Correct. If every YX pilot (even those flying primarily for UAL and DAL) gets junpseat priority over OAL on AAG metal, then AAG pilots should expect to get jumpseat priority over OAL on all YX metal. That’s reciprocal, right?

I’m not talking about the cabin. Only the JS. It has been clearly stated that YX owns it’s jumpseats regardless of who is painted on the side of the aircraft. You get priority on AAG metal, then AAG folks get priority on your metal...not just on flights with American Eagle painted on the side.

I disagree with other posters. This was not an "overreaction" from RPA's union. Several other avenues were pursued over the past couple years which were met with disinterest. It was those results that led to this. Who do people think they are kidding, AA was never going to do anything unless this step was taken.

Don’t have a dog in this fight with either airline (former RAH), but some of you AA guys sound like absolute clowns. Jumpseat priority on all metal? Give me a break. Republic should call your bluff and have you try to make it happen. Ultimately DL and UA would have to agree and that ain’t happening.

Bottom line is it doesn’t affect you if RAH guys/gals that operate AA flights have some kind of respectable JS priority. What it is now is a joke. You’re acting like a bunch of spoiled brats and living up to your reputation.


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And separating that group seems to be difficult.

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What are you taking about? Why wouldn't AA get priority over OAL on all Republic aircraft same as they want on ours. Some Republic pilots have clearly stated that they think that should happen. Besides, AA going above OAL on Delta and United Republic aircraft wouldn't affect them either, since they go first there just as we do here, so why should they care?

You could go above OAL, but below the codeshare mainline pilot partner (DL or UA). Doesn’t really affect anyone but OAL guys.


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That's what we are discussing.

United operated by Republic- Ahead of a Compass or Frontier pilot but behind Wisconsin.

Delta operated by Republic- ahead of Wisconsin or Frontier but behind Compass.

Something like that?

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Doesn’t really affect any stakeholders, so I’m for it. I do have a problem with OAL guys going above RAH on AAG metal though.


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The problem is that Republic pilots believe they should go above everybody except the Airline that they are on. It would be above OAL pilots on AA, Delta , and United. I don't agree. If they only fly for a single legacy, or have to choose a single legacy, I might agree. THE PROBLEM IS THEY WANT IT ON ALL OF THE LEGACIES! That will never happen.

Dude... we already get it on UA and DL.


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And what the hell do you care if we go above JetBlue on every legacy we support. JetBlue or frontier (insert OAL) pilots literally do nothing for their operation. I do something for each of the airlines (UA, AA, DL) every month.


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Yes, how dare they request 2nd from the bottom priority on the three legacies they support and make a lot of money for.

And to answer your next predictable argument, you won't find a pilot on property with more then 3 months seniority who hasn't flown for all three codeshares. That's part of the profit model when you have just one fleet type. If you start fencing off pilots to a single codeshare you would need to hire 10% - 20% more pilots to fly the same number of total block hours.

No, they aren't. It's a very small vocal minority.

Here’s the problem. I think the right thing to do would be to pick a legacy (among the legacies your regional flies for) that works best for you and receive the JS priority that coincides with being part of that regional system. Each year you have the opportunity to change priority as bases etc change but you pick 1, not all three. That is ridiculous.

They already have it on UA and DL, so I guess you’re saying it will not happen on AA.

Also they’re not the only regional that flys for more then one code share. I’m pretty sure Skywest has the exact same agreement that Republic has with UA and DL. They probably have the same agreement with AS as well.

I’ve heard this will be settled in early October, so apparently not long to wait.

The accuracy of this statement. I’ve seen a mainline pilot throw a fit over one guy getting own metal priority when he got left behind. The argument was “check the registration, I guarantee it says American Airlines. That’s my plane!” It actually said US Airways, but that’s neither here nor there. ;)

The attitudes of some of these old curmudgeons are amazing! (full disclosure, I'm old as hell :) )

Was this on YX? Because we own all of our AA birds. Sorry old guy.

We own all of our birds actually.

Not true. The late 700YX birds are owned by United (after bankruptcy) and 870-876RW are compass transfers that are owned by delta. The rest are owned by us.


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No, one of the AA WO. I was just creeping on the thread after reading through the other one. Just wanted to share a story.

No we don’t.

*MOST* with the exception of a handful of random airframes we picked up along the way.

Actually the lessors own them. We just hold the leases.

Only the last 12 UA planes are owned by United. The last 6 170's I think we might have actually bought off of Delta. We scrapped the burned one and kept the parts, not delta. They are also all registered to Republic, not Delta.

I believe there are a few HQ birds that are owned by banks due to the bankruptcy, but they were originally purchased by Republic.


We own our planes, none of our planes are leased. There are zero references of any type of lease deals with republic from any major leasing company.

If we leased them, we would be rolling the fleet over. The fact that we are still operating old ass 170's that are soon getting the new epic load that will require a massive hardware upgrade to do so and we are paying for that should be pretty obvious we own them.

Republic already makes it incredibly difficult on commuters with a terrible commuter policy being manipulated by the chief pilot office, coding almost every PCM to UNA.

That, along with this, makes commuting to your job at republic a nightmare. I would think long and hard if I were a prospective pilot looking at different regionals. ESPECIALLY if you plan on commuting to base with republic.

I understand the union wants a reciprocal agreement, but they just put a target on our back.