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06-12-2022, 11:56 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
Don’t be butt hurt you are getting paid 50-100k less than Envoy pilots flying the same jet! Jet Blue is hiring.
06-12-2022, 12:05 PM
#72
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Truth is, those pay rates at the WOs are not sustainable. You can’t pay a E175 CKA over $400/hr and still be profitable. Not even a mainline CKA on the triple makes that kind of cash. I’m genuinely am happy for the pilot group over at those operations.
I can only hope that every other regional matches the pay or incentives the mainline partners to absorb the regionals. This was a last ditch effort, a Hail Mary of sorts to try and save the regional model. Only time will tell what happens to the regional model in 2-3 years.
It is frustrating to see everyone have some sort of TA come out, but those that actually work here know what’s going. I’m staying patient, flying my line, and waiting for a TA. I will either enjoy the new contract or watch the next generation of RPA pilots enjoy it. Either way, the union is aware of the situation and working towards a solution.
I can only hope that every other regional matches the pay or incentives the mainline partners to absorb the regionals. This was a last ditch effort, a Hail Mary of sorts to try and save the regional model. Only time will tell what happens to the regional model in 2-3 years.
It is frustrating to see everyone have some sort of TA come out, but those that actually work here know what’s going. I’m staying patient, flying my line, and waiting for a TA. I will either enjoy the new contract or watch the next generation of RPA pilots enjoy it. Either way, the union is aware of the situation and working towards a solution.
06-12-2022, 12:08 PM
#73
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
Don’t be butt hurt you are getting paid 35-50k less flying an Airbus for Frontier/Allegiant/Spirit than Envoy Pilots. (There corrected it for ya).
Originally Posted by Captainfit2
Will RPA union be able to leverage a pay rate increase with AA busting their pay up?
Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
If you’re telling the truth by saying you work here, you should be feeling some kind of way too lol
Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
This is my last “stats” update as I start training at DL and am no longer on the property. Peace Out everyone and hopefully y’all get your contract before the recession is publicly announced (yes it is already here)! Otherwise expect the current contract to be chopped to pieces.
06-12-2022, 12:47 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
If you’re telling the truth by saying you work here, you should be feeling some kind of way too lol
06-12-2022, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Web265
You miss the big announcement? CFIsoonToBeFO is off to the big "D"!
06-12-2022, 02:25 PM
#76
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
ahhhh snap, def missed it! Haha
06-12-2022, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne
Incredible, really. He’s either lying about his name (signed on previous posts), lying about where he was based, lying about working for Republic all together, or lying about where he’s going. The only CA RPA had with his first name flying out of his supposed base left for FedEx last month. 😂😂
06-13-2022, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne
Incredible, really. He’s either lying about his name (signed on previous posts), lying about where he was based, lying about working for Republic all together, or lying about where he’s going. The only CA RPA had with his first name flying out of his supposed base left for FedEx last month. 😂😂
06-13-2022, 04:22 AM
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I said years ago this would happen. I've been telling people the past few years that the legacy carriers run their regionals as cost centers. They can afford to run the flights at a loss so long as it keeps the feed to/from the mainline flights full. Places like Envoy, PSA, PDT, Endeavor, Horizon doesn't even report their own profit/loss data, they don't have their own separate stock symbol... they are just part of the larger whole. They will also increase flow programs to make the regional a more required career path; example. If all three legacies begin hiring 85% from their own regionals then the logical career choice becomes to pick your legacy and work at their regional, while trying for those 15% slots at the others.... which will really only be the squadron buddies, friends and family plan mostly.
Vendors, like Mesa-Skywest-Republic, are actual for-profit companies that must generate a profit to stay in business. They can't match the wages, unless the legacy decides to rewrite the CPA at a higher rate. Why should they do that when they can just recycle your pilots as new hires when the outside companies fail, getting their staff, planes and equipment cheap in bankruptcy.
Vendors, like Mesa-Skywest-Republic, are actual for-profit companies that must generate a profit to stay in business. They can't match the wages, unless the legacy decides to rewrite the CPA at a higher rate. Why should they do that when they can just recycle your pilots as new hires when the outside companies fail, getting their staff, planes and equipment cheap in bankruptcy.
06-13-2022, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Their CBA becomes amendable in 2 years. That's why it's a 2 year LOA. They aren't going to make payscale LOA that goes beyond the existing CBA
I said this would happen years ago. That the legacy carriers can afford to run their owned regionals at a loss to keep the feed going to/from outstations keeping the mainline flights full. AA currently runs it as a cost center.
Next comes bankruptcies, buyouts and mergers.
We're already seeing the competition with Frontier, Spirit and Jetblue. They're buying the staffing as much as the equipment and routes they don't already operate.
I said this would happen years ago. That the legacy carriers can afford to run their owned regionals at a loss to keep the feed going to/from outstations keeping the mainline flights full. AA currently runs it as a cost center.
Next comes bankruptcies, buyouts and mergers.
We're already seeing the competition with Frontier, Spirit and Jetblue. They're buying the staffing as much as the equipment and routes they don't already operate.
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