Originally Posted by Njflyguy

Some have upped their first officer minimums completely, and others are still allowing the 1500/ATP rating as minimums, but have preferred qualifications higher. The general sentiment is they will accept an application with 1500 and wet ATP but prefer someone with turbine time, which means the bare minimum candidates may be waiting a while for a call, assuming the bare minimum requirements come back up to what Frontier has recently done. None of them pay for the ATP-CTP, mind you. That's one of the perks of getting on with a regional, IMO.

Frontier:
ATP in hand
1500 hours total time (2500 preferred)
750 hours multi-engine fixed wing
500 hours pilot in command (PIC)
500 hours jet/turbo-prop
https://www.airlineapps.com/jobs/det...=First-Officer


Spirit:
Unrestricted ATP in hand
1,500 hours total time.

Preferred Requirements:
2,500 hours total time in fixed wing aircraft.
750 hours in multi-engine, turboprop or jet aircraft.
Restricted ATP has similar minimums
https://careers.spirit.com/careers-h...940?lang=en-us

Jet Blue:
ATP in hand
1500 TT
500 Fixed Wing

Preferred:
Letter of recommendation from jetBlue pilot
3500 TT
1000 Turbine
1000 in aircraft with EFIS and/or FMS
https://careers.jetblue.com/job/Orla...27/1039703000/

Sun Country:
Unrestricted ATP in hand
1500 hours
500 hours of cross country
100 hours of night
75 hours of instrument
50 hours of multi-engine (25 actual and up to 25 hours of simulator time)

Restrict ATPs have similar minimums
https://www.airlineapps.com/jobs/det...=First-Officer

Originally Posted by CRJCapitan

I think the point for those debating the contract is that, in this environment, it is important to maintain flexibility. The contract may work for you, especially if you live in IND, CMH, PIT or SDF, but it probably isn't advisable for most people. It's not a criticism of you, but I say it more for the CFI's who are reading this thread.

There is a scenario where signing this contract could be an objectively smart move. This would be in the event of age 68 passing. The hiring at the legacies (except for maybe United) would likely stop hiring within the next six months and there would be very little movement for three years. In this scenario, the (effectively) four-year commitment wouldn't be a big deal and Republic would be a great place to be during that time.

The issue is that it signing the YX contract is unlikely to be the only option for long. Regional FO's are getting picked up left and right and, eventually, regionals will need FO's despite the captain shortage. Can a prospective CFI keep instructing a little longer until the gates open up again? That's the question. I, personally, would be more inclined to take that route than to potentially had 2-2.5 years to my timeline getting to a legacy.

Originally Posted by Lilsaigon

Which base is junior with short reserve times?

Originally Posted by Sammie

Hello Folks in the know.

I have a good friend who just retired from the Federal Gov with a pension at age 60. He applied to all the airlines and was offered a position as an FO (Not a DEC) with immediate class dates at Republic and PSA. He also does not want to wait and see what else develops due to his age of 60. I don’t believe he wants to move on from any job he receives due to his age, so going to a legacy is not an issue. He lives in NYC about 40 mins from LGA, JFK and EWR via public transit. He does not own a car. (like most folks in the City) If he took PSA he would have to commute to PHL, via train or whatever. Yes, Republic is going to make him sign this contract. I have never seen anything like this in the Majors and have little experience in the Regional world. It has always been my experience that living in base is the best, so I am leaning toward suggesting he go with Republic….contract and all. He will be senior in either class as seniority goes by age, so he does not think LGA/EWR would be a issue, nor would PHL if he decides PSA Don’t want to lead him astray so, what do you think and Why?

Thank for all the info,
Sammie

Originally Posted by Bricky

not directed at you specifically, to many replies to comment on

no one knows the future. I know that this contact is a job. I know there's are least one lawsuit fighting it. I know what it will cost to break it if I get a better offer ($75,000 the $25,000 ioe bonus is going into the bank for now). I know that I have a perfect record of training and check rides but for some reason, I didn't get a ULCC offer. That's ok, the training at Republic is exceptional and my buddy at the ULCC said he's seen 2 brand new ATP-CTP guys wash out this month. And I'm apparently not alone, there were 10-14 new hires in this week's class.

there are many possible scenarios, while some folks push others to stay home in protest, wait it out (till when?), fly 135 or go find other employment Republic FOs are making $90,000 plus a $25,000 ioe bonus. Will I miss out on being the most senior at Delta? I never had a chance at that anyway. And again I don't care. Seniority is great but I gotta make it to next month and this paycheck allows me to do that.

People need to stop judging everyone else unless they want to start putting money in there pockets.

Originally Posted by flykin

Would the contract be void if the union won even after signing it? Could a prospective Republic pilot sign this contract and get saved by the union in 6-12 months if the union won?

My intuition says if you sign it: you're stuck with it, but I'm not sure how it works.

Originally Posted by CRJCapitan

One could make the argument that signing the contract and paying the $75k to get out of it is worth it if there is a chance he/she would stay at Republic or it gets them to a legacy 6+ months faster. It wouldn’t be my recommendation to someone asking me (and I know you’re not, just saying in general), but one could at least make that argument.

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1

You can’t measure the worth of seniority based on first year pay alone. You measure it by max pay rate. The earlier you get to a legacy you’re only on first year pay for 1 year regardless of when you start, however the earlier you get there the more time you’ll spend at year 12 pay rates. Get there 6 months earlier spend 6 months longer at year 12 pay plus benefits of 6 months more seniority. 6 months more of year 12 pay will be worth hundreds of thousands down the line when you factor in profit sharing and retirement. So you could definitely argue it’s worth it from a total career earnings. Obviously there’s some short term issues you’d have to overcome. But in a couple years you’d make up that money owed.

Originally Posted by dera

This. Every month you delay your legacy/other career grade airline costs you around $40k at your end of career earnings.