Originally Posted by Web265

This is essentially what will happen, but, YX can't really offer that till he gets to class and there's an opening in one of those bases. It's a 99% chance there will be but it'd not a given. In my class, I was the oldest and I couldn't get EWR or PHL, (I live between the two). I ended up at LGA for about 4 mos before they moved me earlier than expected to EWR. I'm only telling you this because I don't want your buddy to feel he got screwed somehow if on out VERY outside chance he doesn't get EWR or LGA. He'll get it very soon if not in class. For example, there was a class a while back where they pushed about the entire class to PIT for some reason.

I think PHL would suck from NYC, but I'm not the commuting type...+ I think, PSA has hot reserve. We have it in the contract but don't do it. If he got EWR or LGA he'd be able to do reserve from his couch, local gym....well, just getting on with life.


The market planning podcast the union puts out says 10 mos for EWR and 14 for LGA (have no idea why). I really quoted this as these are relatively short reserve times if you look at the last 6-8 years, going back 3, not so much. I wonder what the reserve time for United would be in EWR? (that's not rhetorical, I have no idea)
Also, if Sammie 's buddy took the class described, with hiring ramping up again, those times could come down fairly quickly. Nobody has that crystal ball though.


So much this. I think I'm pretty much in Sammie 's buddy's shoes. For me this is all about QOL while making a few extra bucks for hobbies and stashing another 401K pile away.

If he stays at YX (and they keep on truckin' LOL) then upgrades when able which will be as soon as he hits 1000 121 hours, he'll start making his way up the pay ladder while keeping his seniority. If he goes to an LLC or Legacy (which he likely can't yet, I don't really know his flight experience) he'll get on the seniority list sooner yes. If he has to go to a regional for a while, then go up the ladder, he'll be at the bottom of the pile again, a pile which my guess is takes a lot longer to climb. (Particularly at the legacy). On top of which he only has 7 years at the most to play this game. That's IF 67 goes through.


Have you actually done that math?...is there a list somewhere? A lot of the more senior CA's I fly with do live in base. The jr guys often take whatever base just to get the seat. I think there might be one at YX, I just don't remember where it would be LOL

I know I'm in base, and living in base is SWEET.

I'm not an expert on the "agreement" but it seems oddly one sided, vague to a point of almost unenforceable, and smacks of desperation. We'll see where it all lands, but if I was planning on being at a regional for some time, it wouldn't really bother me. When it's adjudicated, there's several possibilities, dumped altogether, dumped for the guys who signed it in training as that was coercive, partially upheld as was mentioned before. Who knows.

Sammie If your friend has any specific questions I can help him with, just let me know. Public or private is fine. I'll check in a little more often.

Originally Posted by Swakid8

If you are NB, you will be not be on reserve long at United in EWR. EWR can be had right away. Same goes for NYC for Delta I am certain.

Originally Posted by SonicFlyer

Originally Posted by Jimotter

does the contract protect the new hires as dues paying union members?
yes…or….no….?

if yes the conversation is moot.
if no… then 1) the new hires are getting employment as non union members. 2) don’t have union protection 3) all because the union didn’t build new hire protection into the contract.

the new hires are not union members nor are the “Scabs”
if you want to be angry… be angry that your professional negotiating team.. ( ALPA or Teamsters) were out negotiated again.
but they will get over it because you STILL must pay dues even if you ARENT a Member …the union got that part right ( for them).

how long / what is the duration of the contract with the the airline?
how long / what is the duration of the service agreement with the union ?
Although your LEC and MEC are local pilots employed by the airline…. They are usually senior pilots… and their negotiating energies will be focused on THEIR and other senior members best interest.
and moving up the food chain… the actual UNION … is only interested in spending JUST ENOUGH ( of your dues) MONEY…to keep you not quite interested in firing the union….period.
so start looking NOW for a better service provider….. threaten to fire comcast and their rock solid “ best deal” will get better.. but be prepared to walk.

it is NOT my intention to advocate for ANY …WILD CAT…activity….
it is my intention to remind you that YOU employ the Union and YOU can make them perform….. or YOU can FIRE the union…unless of course the contract you signed with them says that if you do, you owe them a bunch of money…. Kind like where the new hires are right now.

READ THE CONTRACT YOU HAVE WITH YOUR UNION.