3662forlife

I have just loved hearing Moffatt say, at every opportunity over the last month, that 357 would NEVER have requested a "Pro-Offer" (I "think he meant proffer) of arbitration unless they KNEW the outcome of the request.

Some of CM's quotes:

"The Senior Mediator was convinced months ago that we were at an impasse, but it wasn't until the Company stated they needed more time for their Compensation counter proposal that the "Regular Mediator" became aware that there had arrived at an impasse."

"Dan S. talks to the Mediators and NNB regularly."

"There has NEVER been a time that the NMB went against the Mediator's recommendation"

‘There is a lot going on behind the scene by IBT National that will ensure that we ‘prevail.’ Single quotes representing it’s not a direct quote, I don’t think CM uses the word “prevail.”

I vote to fire the entire Negotiating Committee, including Wilder and recall our "appointed" President (there was no election so one can hardly say he was "elected") and ExCo.

Maybe this time around there will be more than 7 pilots out of our ~2,000, that might be willing to step up for the 7 positions.

CM has been blowing smoke up our bottoms long enough and don't forget he said on a conference call that "He had to take care of his MEA Brothers." Is that why IBT is paying MEA's legal expenses in the Bloch contract arbitration and all other legal matters?

IMO, the ExCo’s false statements (especially from CM), caused immense false expectations, borders on a DFR suit.

That's right, our dues and our two assessments are going to pilots that will displace us.

And, it's my understanding that we had 20 pilots show up at the Shareholder's meeting and 20 show up at LGA, picketed until it started drizzling and went home. Is that true? 40 pilots out of 2,000 participated?

It IS time for action, but I believe that change HAS to begin with dismissing those that led us to believe they actually knew what they were doing on the ExCo and the NC.

Dan S. and Wilder are such good buddies that it makes one wonder what the extent of their relationship is.

EVERYTHING the ExCo has told us has been proven to be misdirection, overly optimistic or an outright lie.

Thank you for you thorough, measured response to the situation. Kudos on being concise.

What’s wrong with “appointed?” If I had ran then there would have been 8 candidates instead of 7, not a big difference in a pilot group of ~2,000. Did you run?

If I had gone to NYC there would have been .0205% of our pilots there instead of just .02%. It ain’t just ME, it’s the entire pilot group that has lost faith (rightfully so) in our “leadership” and has no desire to do anything but complain to others on line. Did you go to NYC?

Mofffatt the Prophet told us everything was under control and that we (357 & IBT National) were WAY ahead of the company in every aspect of the process. Now it’s a known fact that he knew nothing he was talking about.

When you think of this ExCo, always remember, “We wouldn’t have filed unless we were certain of the answer.” Then continue your thoughts of our leadership, Local and National, and how they are improving our QOL and pay.

FO’s could have had a “free” and greatly needed raise months ago, but the prophet said, He!! no, it’s all or nothing." Here we are with less than nothing.

How long will it be before we can make a pro-offer for arbitration again? What did this immature, reactive and premature "request" cost us in time?

How much creditability did we lose with Management, the Mediators, the NMB, our fellow employees and, most of all, our pilot group?

“IF” we had hired professionals, they would have told the ExCo and the prophet to keep their mouths shut – Do NOT build false expectations.

Yeah, we may have TA’ed our previously perfect Scope (if it was SO perfect, why did we need to negotiate a new Scope clause?), but we may end up giving some of that back to gain something more important or relevant.

That’s why professionals don’t release information until the whole deal is done and ready for ratification.

I maintain my position that this Negotiating Committee (including Billy Wilder) and ExCo has failed us miserably and needs to be replaced, I don’t see how anyone could do a worse job for us.

One HAS to assume they did their best. And their best fell well short of the goal.

And we DO deserve better, MUCH better from IBT and RAH.

STR8NLVL

Membership meeting on the 6th. If you're a member in good standing feel free to make the motion to dismiss them.

Either put your money where your big mouth is, or you're worse than those you criticize.

I'll look for you there.

3662forlife

Now, now, you're rather outspoken yourself, and remember the most important trait of being a good brand new captain is the ability to remain calm.

Are you done with 145 upgrade and are really going to be in DEN or are you just firing for effect?

Membership meeting on the 6th at 1800 in DEN for members in good standing at the Staybridge Inn -

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At 1900 members not in good standing can join the meeting. I'm betting it's a lower percentage than the .02% that showed up in NYC.

If you are a member that can't show until 1900, can you still make the motion? Seems unlikely.

Unfortunately, FAPA is having its annual picnic that day, so I doubt we’ll see any of our, as the prophet calls them, "Frontier Brothers and Sisters."

3662forlife

"I like where you're going with that. I'm gonna do some research but I think the labor laws establish that whatever agent you use to unionize, the members are still personally responsible for its liabilities, making us a partnership vs a corp or LLC.

But if we were able to enjoy the separation from liability corporations enjoy, that would be a solid plan.

I'm seriously considering sending Craig my letter of resignation. If even half of us did that, maybe he could lay a stack of a thousand resignations on the table and say, 'well, we can't strike, but half your workforce just quit.'"

And this is just brilliant. You guys think, in 70 years of commercial aviation, you're the first ones to come up with this idea?

It's like the pilots that say, "Why don't we just raise the ticket prices?"

Baxter

3662-

At the risk of understatement, your comments would seem to indicate you are unhappy with the 357 leadership and/or IBT in general. Let me ask you this:

You need a 25% showing to trigger a recall election for the 357 leadership. Are you actively garnering support for such a move? If if a recall is successful are you ready to step in and take over the leadership positions that would be vacated?

Or if the problem is with IBT, you need a 50% +1 showing to trigger a NMB representation election. Here is the starting point for that:

http://www.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?f...%3D&tabid=3345

Again, are you taking practical steps to achieve this goal? If such a move were to be successful are you able, or willing, to step in and create the reforms you believe are in order?

I understand you are upset. I make no judgement with regard to the validity of your position. Nor do I know what practical steps you may be taking to rectify the problem as you perceive it. If you are, I applaud your courage and conviction.

But if the extent of your actions is limited to vitriolic complaints on a public and anonymous internet message board, you are doing nothing more than making an annoying noise and Buddha's assessment of your behavior would indeed be measured, thorough and concise.

STR8NLVL

He's just a blow hard who enjoys quoting people off a private board and posting it in a public one.

All talk but no substance to back it up.

Either put up or shut up 3662. Work to be part of the solution or you're no better than those you criticize for allowing the 7 to be "appointed."

benairguitar23

I not able to reveal how I found this out but I just found out who 3662forlife is, Republic pilots will be happy to know....or probably p***ed to know that his name is.........















JEFF DAVIS.............

STR8NLVL

I don't buy it. I think he's a MW pilot now working for us as an FO, who'd rather be a part of the problem than part of the solution.

Baxter

Benefit of the doubt. I'd like to hear his answer.

TillerEnvy

Once again...3662 is an F9 pilot. There is no doubt that he is, so please don't treat him as if he's one of ours.