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Old 04-30-2017, 08:02 AM
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Sounds like guys past behavior tips the scales.
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:07 AM
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FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATIONS
Home > Aviation Regulations > Parts Index > Part 91 > Sec. 91.105 - Flight crewmembers at stations.
Sec. 91.105 — Flight crewmembers at stations.

(a) During takeoff and landing, and while en route, each required flight crewmember shall—
(1) Be at the crewmember station unless the absence is necessary to perform duties in connection with the operation of the aircraft or in connection with physiological needs; and

(2) Keep the safety belt fastened while at the crewmember station.

(b) Each required flight crewmember of a U.S.-registered civil aircraft shall, during takeoff and landing, keep his or her shoulder harness fastened while at his or her assigned duty station. This paragraph does not apply if—
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Old 04-30-2017, 04:27 PM
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Keeping your job counts as a physiological need...no?
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Old 04-30-2017, 05:18 PM
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Another option...... fly cargo
Highly recommend.
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Old 05-01-2017, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
Maybe a cop out on my part but your PIC needs to speak up here.
Or the Chief Pilot if you have one.
Issues with the owner shouldn't be yours to fight.
Then again, be diplomatic about it.
It may have been ok at that stage of the flight.
Not that it really matters but I'm assuming this is a Lear?
If the owner wants you out of the company then you're out.
That's why he's the owner.
Had nothing to do with fairness.
Just the way the cookie crumbles.
Start looking today just in case the hammer drops tomorrow.
Inappropriate doesn't always equal unsafe.

There's a rule under 135 where you're supposed to 'serve' the alcoholic beverages.
So how does that work if you can't get out of your seat?
The Feds determined that without a flight attendant, "serving" means you put it on the airplane.
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Old 05-01-2017, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by EMAW View Post
The Feds determined that without a flight attendant, "serving" means you put it on the airplane.
Yes, and we all know what 'that' means.
Let's not get too sanctimonious.
We all know what happens out there; but is it dangerous? No, mostly not.
Yes there have been accidents ( small child stepping on the cyclic in a helicopter) essentially caused by an overbearing owner.
But reaching up and turning off a landing light is not unsafe.
Just to name an example as we don't know what he did previously.
Getting out of your seat with nothing going on, is not unsafe.
Have I gotten out of my seat ?
Oh sure and everybody has, for various reasons.
I call it customer service.

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Old 05-03-2017, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
Yes, and we all know what 'that' means.
Let's not get too sanctimonious.
We all know what happens out there; but is it dangerous? No, mostly not.
Yes there have been accidents ( small child stepping on the cyclic in a helicopter) essentially caused by an overbearing owner.
But reaching up and turning off a landing light is not unsafe.
Just to name an example as we don't know what he did previously.
Getting out of your seat with nothing going on, is not unsafe.
Have I gotten out of my seat ?
Oh sure and everybody has, for various reasons.
I call it customer service.
You read too much into what I was saying. I was only commenting on the alcohol comment. As far as non-crew in the flight deck, I've only ever flew 121, 135, and 91k and all of my employers expressly prohibit this from happening.
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Old 05-03-2017, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
Maybe a cop out on my part but your PIC needs to speak up here.
Or the Chief Pilot if you have one.
Issues with the owner shouldn't be yours to fight.

Then again, be diplomatic about it.
Here's a crazy idea...

Next time he asks you, the FO, to take your seat, why not suggest he takes the captain's seat? Then let the captain deal with it.
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