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Old 10-25-2020 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
“Move” fluid from one system to another? Gross.

So much like for this.. ☝☝☝
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Old 10-25-2020 | 07:02 AM
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Nobody hurt. Sounds like the gear problem preceded the excursion from first reports...
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Old 10-25-2020 | 09:06 AM
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Old 10-25-2020 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 1Taco
Yes. They were transferring hyd fluid from sys 1 to 2 in flight and accidentally left the parking brake set.

Yes, this is a thing with older Embraer products. I did use the technique to transfer fluid, but I never, ever did it in the air because your natural muscle memory is to leave the brake handle set. My fleet had a couple parking-brake-set LDG incidents, fortunately only resulted in blown tires and flat rims.

As others said, a NSW failure would not explain the locked mains, you'd need a simultaneous anti-skid failure to account for that.
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Old 10-25-2020 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes, this is a thing with older Embraer products. I did use the technique to transfer fluid, but I never, ever did it in the air because your natural muscle memory is to leave the brake handle set. My fleet had a couple parking-brake-set LDG incidents, fortunately only resulted in blown tires and flat rims.

As others said, a NSW failure would not explain the locked mains, you'd need a simultaneous anti-skid failure to account for that.
MegaWhacker (Dash 8-4) had the same thing. Basically normal use of the parking brake would transfer your fluid unless you were familiar with Canadian braking techniques. You had to do the procedure to send it back. Never in the air though, that was for professionals only.
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Old 10-25-2020 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
MegaWhacker (Dash 8-4) had the same thing. Basically normal use of the parking brake would transfer your fluid unless you were familiar with Canadian braking techniques. You had to do the procedure to send it back. Never in the air though, that was for professionals only.
As did the -7. Knew some boys did the skid. Canada hard though, no gear collapse. SOP for bent metal in the islands used to be reef duty. Looks like this one may get a pass.
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Old 10-25-2020 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
MegaWhacker (Dash 8-4) had the same thing. Basically normal use of the parking brake would transfer your fluid unless you were familiar with Canadian braking techniques. You had to do the procedure to send it back. Never in the air though, that was for professionals only.
Only if you were in the habit of doing it wrong! Release the brake WHILE stepping on the pedals THEN release the handle.
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Old 10-25-2020 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Only if you were in the habit of doing it wrong! Release the brake WHILE stepping on the pedals THEN release the handle.
But you have to somehow get the people who flew the plane before you to do that too.
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Old 10-25-2020 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog


Nobody hurt. Sounds like the gear problem preceded the excursion from first reports...
wow, thanks for the late breaking news
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Old 10-25-2020 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Crimson5
This is ridiculous. No one knows any facts on this case. That would have to be a deliberate act by the crew and I don’t see that happening here.
Sorry dude. Just looking at the tires and the tire marks leaving the runway, you should be able to take an educated guess.
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