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PhantomHawk 03-11-2019 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2779903)
Who said that?
:confused:

My bad. I figured your comment was adding to the list of people coming up with excuse after excuse for why this happened. I must have misread your intent.

PotatoChip 03-11-2019 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2779936)
My bad. I figured your comment was adding to the list of people coming up with excuse after excuse for why this happened. I must have misread your intent.

I was responding to the person I quoted. That’s it.

pangolin 03-11-2019 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 2779732)
Of course it's a write up and an asap after the underwear is cleaned. And yes no the error that had been seen on our fleet is loc has zero deflection and we are breaking out not aligned... I can't speak for c5s fleet. This is being investigated for us. Wr also have a problem where the loc cdi swings right and left full scale throughout the approach.

Seriously? Abandon the approach and do a RNAV. To low? Divert.

dera 03-11-2019 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2779928)
Pax reported a bounce. They may have initially hit on the RWY and then bounced off.

No. That's not what happened.

Just think what kind of trajectory it takes to land on the runway, then bounce sideways 100+++ feet without moving forward at all.
The initial touchdown was roughly on the "touchdown zone" and running parallel to the runway, just way off the runway. Plane would've had to move 200 or so feet directly sideways because of that bounce.

Not possible.

John Carr 03-11-2019 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2779928)
Pax reported a bounce. They may have initially hit on the RWY and then bounced off.

Look at post #134

jacburn 03-11-2019 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2780100)
Look at post #134

The pic in that post does not show the initial touch down spot. Only the second touch down spot after the intersecting runway.

John Carr 03-11-2019 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by jacburn (Post 2780102)
The pic in that post does not show the initial touch down spot. Only the second touch down spot after the intersecting runway.

Agreed, but......


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2779963)
No. That's not what happened.

Just think what kind of trajectory it takes to land on the runway, then bounce sideways 100+++ feet without moving forward at all.
The initial touchdown was roughly on the "touchdown zone" and running parallel to the runway, just way off the runway. Plane would've had to move 200 or so feet directly sideways because of that bounce.

Not possible.

......to think it slammed ON the runway, THEN flew to the right of the runway, and THEN tracked parallel, well, you think that’s what happened? In your opinion, did it bounce off the pavement so hard there seems to be no other sign of skipping before it stayed on the ground?

Guess when the report comes out we’ll know.

Flyboy68 03-11-2019 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by v1valarob (Post 2778923)
I’m crying looking at that picture. Poor girl. I flew her less than a week prior.

https://media.giphy.com/media/yGpWyolOIhHO0/giphy.gif

BeechedJet 03-12-2019 07:56 PM

Maybe, just maybe this is a case of like that old joke about the pilots landing on the 200’ long runway that’s a mile wide. Has anyone ruled that out when they said the bounced off a runway?

If the tracks in the snow from the photos are the only ground markings and that plane initially hit pavement, then it’s got some magic bullet physics going on.

GravellyPointer 03-12-2019 08:04 PM

Perhaps the crew mistook the right runway edge for the left runway edge, and the “bounce” was from crossing the intersecting runway. If the runway was completely snowed over at the time of approach, could’ve been possible.
Once upon a time I saw an FO in training at 1:22 AM line up a Beech 1900 over the runway edge lights (he thought they were centerline lights) to land out of an NDB. Just before flare height my Instructor (group lesson, swapping seats) calmed said “go around”. Edge-lander got sent home and I got a reality check.


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