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Old 03-27-2023, 08:03 AM
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I also think there's a difference between privatizing and outsourcing.

Outsource all you want, .gov retains controls and lets contracts to provide the service on terms specified by .gov. We don't necessarily need civil servants doing the job.

Privatizing is more like auctioning off blocks of airspace and letting the winner figure out how to turn a profit with user fees. Charge too much, and airlines will spend the fuel to fly around your sector lol.
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Old 03-27-2023, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I also think there's a difference between privatizing and outsourcing.

Outsource all you want, .gov retains controls and lets contracts to provide the service on terms specified by .gov. We don't necessarily need civil servants doing the job.

Privatizing is more like auctioning off blocks of airspace and letting the winner figure out how to turn a profit with user fees. Charge too much, and airlines will spend the fuel to fly around your sector lol.
If we were to follow the Constitution, either it would need to be amended to add airspace management to the list of things the feds are allowed to do, or it would be run by the state governments.
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Old 03-27-2023, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bradthepilot View Post
You might want to spend some time jacked in on station with a controller. I did that a few weeks ago at MSP center. Right up front, I saw Stossel making claims that were straight up wrong:
- Flights are tracked by computer systems; the paper strips do exist but only as a backup.
- A number of NextGen technologies are already here: ADS-B is one, CPDLC is another

I had to turn it off after that. I side with him on lots of issues, but on this one it seems pretty clear he didn't bother to verify a couple of basic items and if he didn't do that, the rest of his piece is specious at best.
If you connected the dots there you'd realize he's pulling the wool over your eyes on other issues as well - just you're not as familiar with them as you are familiar with aviation; so you don't notice. That's his MO though.

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If we were to follow the Constitution, either it would need to be amended to add airspace management to the list of things the feds are allowed to do, or it would be run by the state governments.
Oh look, another pilot who thinks he's a constitutional scholar. LMAO.
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Old 03-27-2023, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
If we were to follow the Constitution, either it would need to be amended to add airspace management to the list of things the feds are allowed to do, or it would be run by the state governments.
The people, via their elected officials, have delegated that duty to the fed.

If you did give it to the states, all they would do is give it back to the feds, a la EUROCONTROL. They don't want it. Only a couple states are large enough to get away with charging overflight tariffs... the others are small enough to just fly around.
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Old 03-28-2023, 07:43 AM
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Oh look, another pilot who thinks he's a constitutional scholar. LMAO.
Actually yes I have studied it extensively, but one doesn't have to be a scholar to understand it. It's written in plain English.

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The people, via their elected officials, have delegated that duty to the fed.
No, the Constitution doesn't give the feds that authority. Until there is a Constitutional amendment to that effect, then the feds are violating the Constitution.
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
Actually yes I have studied it extensively, but one doesn't have to be a scholar to understand it. It's written in plain English.

No, the Constitution doesn't give the feds that authority. Until there is a Constitutional amendment to that effect, then the feds are violating the Constitution.
LMFAO - you go girl.
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