Boeing whistleblower found dead
03-15-2024, 10:35 AM
#61
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
Why is the KC-46 having so many problems but the P—8 is not? Only difference is one is Navy and one is Air Force. Same manufacturer.
And one is an antisubmarine warefare aircraft while the other is an aerial refueling platform. So identical. No differences. Except, not.
Boeing also produces the V-22 Opsrey and Echo Voyager unmanned submarine. Also not the same, but same manufacturer.
One might be forgiven for the observation that USN vs. USAF as customers, is NOT the only difference.
03-15-2024, 02:35 PM
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Blindly ignoring the possibility of malfeasance is similar to blindly believing every conspiracy theory you hear. Half of our murders go unsolved. Authorities look for the easiest way to resolve a case many times, and these people were actively embarrassing billionaires. As for people's ability to get away with crime, don't look to Epstein's life, but look to the sweet deal he got from the DA In years prior. Look at the number of parents and authorities who failed to act with Michael Jackson, and even sent their children to him. If you've grown up in small town America you've seen that some people are connected, and the sheriff and cops will let them get away with things you and I can't do. That's the world we're in. That's the world where the Uvalde police are absolved of wrongdoing.
So while I can't speak to whether this man was or wasn't murdered, we have to look at things in context. The context is pretty ugly. Justice and investigations fail under far less pressure.
I'm saying we need to be open minded enough to consider evidence if it comes up. We also need to be open minded enough to admit he did kill himself as well. Excessive faith (faith in Boeing, faith in the FAA, etc.) got us here. Less faith. More evidence.
There should be security video of airport parking lots.
So while I can't speak to whether this man was or wasn't murdered, we have to look at things in context. The context is pretty ugly. Justice and investigations fail under far less pressure.
I'm saying we need to be open minded enough to consider evidence if it comes up. We also need to be open minded enough to admit he did kill himself as well. Excessive faith (faith in Boeing, faith in the FAA, etc.) got us here. Less faith. More evidence.
There should be security video of airport parking lots.
03-16-2024, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Elevation
Blindly ignoring the possibility of malfeasance is similar to blindly believing every conspiracy theory you hear. Half of our murders go unsolved. Authorities look for the easiest way to resolve a case many times, and these people were actively embarrassing billionaires. As for people's ability to get away with crime, don't look to Epstein's life, but look to the sweet deal he got from the DA In years prior. Look at the number of parents and authorities who failed to act with Michael Jackson, and even sent their children to him. If you've grown up in small town America you've seen that some people are connected, and the sheriff and cops will let them get away with things you and I can't do. That's the world we're in. That's the world where the Uvalde police are absolved of wrongdoing.
So while I can't speak to whether this man was or wasn't murdered, we have to look at things in context. The context is pretty ugly. Justice and investigations fail under far less pressure.
I'm saying we need to be open minded enough to consider evidence if it comes up. We also need to be open minded enough to admit he did kill himself as well. Excessive faith (faith in Boeing, faith in the FAA, etc.) got us here. Less faith. More evidence.
There should be security video of airport parking lots.
So while I can't speak to whether this man was or wasn't murdered, we have to look at things in context. The context is pretty ugly. Justice and investigations fail under far less pressure.
I'm saying we need to be open minded enough to consider evidence if it comes up. We also need to be open minded enough to admit he did kill himself as well. Excessive faith (faith in Boeing, faith in the FAA, etc.) got us here. Less faith. More evidence.
There should be security video of airport parking lots.
This kind of thing is very rare, but it does happen at least is some places. Even makes the news occasionally.
This was in the context of quite different countries than ours, but you can speculate whether the same process might work here. Top guys are very, very insulated from the proceedings.
Now it had also occured to me that this incident might even have been a false-flg operation of sorts... dude to decided to check out anyway, and chose timing and circumstances to cast a shadow on his adversaries. A parting shot so to speak.
03-16-2024, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Elevation
Blindly ignoring the possibility of malfeasance is similar to blindly believing every conspiracy theory you hear.
03-16-2024, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I knew some upper-tier middle eastern folks in the military. One of them shared how such things can go down... it's not like the movies where the CEO, billionaire, senator, general, etc has a hitman on speed dial. It's a multi-layer process, the top guys discusses the issue at hand with his lieutenant(s) and it becomes known that he's displeased, they then discuss that with the next layer and so on, eventually a critical step occurs: the issue makes it's way out of the official hierarchy into other channels (organized crime or maybe security service associates in some countries). Ultimately an outcome occurs, and then patronage of one sort or another flows back down the chain. Rare for actual briefcases of cash to be exchanged or direct orders given. Everybody knows what happened, but nobody had to give a direct order except maybe at the lowest level. Benefits of one sort or another are bestowed, likely at a much later date. Plausible deniability for most involved, and the top guy didn't actually even conspire in any way. People are willing to do things to please powerful folks.
This kind of thing is very rare, but it does happen at least is some places. Even makes the news occasionally.
This was in the context of quite different countries than ours, but you can speculate whether the same process might work here. Top guys are very, very insulated from the proceedings.
Now it had also occured to me that this incident might even have been a false-flg operation of sorts... dude to decided to check out anyway, and chose timing and circumstances to cast a shadow on his adversaries. A parting shot so to speak.
This kind of thing is very rare, but it does happen at least is some places. Even makes the news occasionally.
This was in the context of quite different countries than ours, but you can speculate whether the same process might work here. Top guys are very, very insulated from the proceedings.
Now it had also occured to me that this incident might even have been a false-flg operation of sorts... dude to decided to check out anyway, and chose timing and circumstances to cast a shadow on his adversaries. A parting shot so to speak.
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