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Old 03-14-2024, 08:11 AM
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Just the problems they've had on the KC-46 program (and the money they've lost because of it) shows that there is something deeply wrong at Boeing. The airframe of the KC-46 is the 767 which was FAA certified in July of 1982. To say it is a mature airframe is an understatement. Yet the Air Force twice stopped deliveries of the KC-46, not just for boom problems but for basic airframe manufacturing problems.
https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/air-warfare-symposium/2019/03/01/air-force-suspends-kc-46-tanker-deliveries/
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Will Roper, the service’s assistant secretary for acquisition, technology and logistics, told reporters that it will likely be “some time” before the service begins accepting new tankers from Boeing.
“I was able to get some data from our team on the foreign object debris that’s being experienced on the KC-46 line. It’s still to be determined how extensive and how far into the production line it goes,” he said.
“It boils down to process, culture and leadership in making systems. A trip to Boeing is almost certainly going to be necessary for me to approve DD250s again,” he added, using the Defense Department’s term for accepting an aircraft.
During a Thursday afternoon roundtable with reporters, Roper said that the Air Force had grounded planes for about a week due to concerns about tools and other foreign object debris left in the aircraft — a potential safety hazard. The issue was first reported by The Seattle Times.
https://rollcall.com/2019/04/02/air-force-halts-deliveries-of-boeing-tankers-for-second-time/

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The Air Force is again refusing to accept Boeing’s KC-46 Pegasus tankers after the company failed to resolve issues with tools and parts erroneously left in the plane’s compartments, Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson told lawmakers Tuesday.

The tankers, based on a 767 commercial jet, are the latest problem for the domestic aerospace giant, which has been under intense scrutiny since the recent fatal crashes of two 737-Max planes.

“We actually stopped again the acceptance of the KC-46s because of foreign object debris we found in some closed compartments,” Wilson said during testimony before the House Armed Services Committee.

Wilson said the Air Force has a “corrective action in place,” including ensuring the production line “is being run the way it needs to be run.”

The KC-46 is built in Everett, Wash., while the 737-Max planes are assembled 40 miles south in Renton, Wash. The problems with the tanker are unrelated to the 737 crashes, but nonetheless threaten to further undermine Boeing’s reputation and its bottom line even as one of its former executives, Patrick Shanahan, serves as acting Defense secretary.

Boeing has paid the government more than $3 billion for delays and cost overruns on the tanker program. Initially scheduled for 2017, the Air Force received its first KC-46 in January (2019).

In February, it stopped taking delivery of the KC-46 and the fleet was grounded after tools and other extraneous parts were found on the planes. The “foreign object debris” can pose a safety hazard, and can also damage the planes. The Air Force resumed the deliveries of the tankers on March 11.

“We continue to work with Boeing to ensure that every aircraft delivered meets the highest quality and safety standards,” the Air Force said in a statement. This week our inspectors identified additional foreign object debris and areas where Boeing did not meet quality standards.”

The Air Force made its second decision to stop accepting the planes on March 23, the statement said.
After the hearing, Texas Rep. Mac Thornberry, the top Republican on the Armed Services panel, called the ongoing issues with debris “very concerning.”

“We’re so far behind with this tanker that you worry about time and you worry about quality control,” he said. “The problem was there, they stopped delivery, they said they had it fixed, and then they didn’t.”

The tanker program, long mired in controversy, has been a top Air Force priority for years. Congress approved $2.4 billion to buy 15 of the jets this year, and the Air Force has requested another $2.3 billion for 12 KC-46 tankers in fiscal 2020.
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Old 03-14-2024, 08:16 AM
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yes, I am sure, because I have been reading about his nonsense since 2019. He claims that when they found damaged parts on the assembly line he would red tag them. Then a manager would come by and have the next shift come in and reinstall it on the aircraft so it could fly to the delivery center in Everette. Back then they didn’t deliver aircraft from Charleston. Everything went to Everett first. What he didn’t know, and no one felt the need to explain it to him, is that flying with non-conforming parts is legal on production ticketed aircraft flown under part 91 operations. The parts were replaced before delivery in Everett. He even admitted in a 2019 NTY podcast that he can’t prove the planes were delivered that way. Because he wasn’t there!!!
Thus, there is no evidence that he thought, or considered, or was deluded into thinking that Boeing is an airline. You lied. That's all you really needed to say.
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Old 03-14-2024, 10:13 AM
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??? I'm the one saying the circumstances are a tad suspicious, go read my posts again carefully, and the ones I'm replying to for context. Your reading comprehension is very poor. Whistleblowers are what they are, doesn't mean they're wrong.

And it's not "buried", this is the forum for stuff like this, we don't need multiple threads in multiple forums for the same topic.
Admit it! You're part of the coverup conspiracy and a probably an agenet for Boeing!
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Old 03-14-2024, 12:32 PM
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...and a probably an agenet for Boeing!
Is that senior joke?
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Old 03-14-2024, 06:35 PM
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Friend of his said in a TV interview there's no way he would have committed suicide. In the article the reporter mentioned that the lawsuit will still proceed. So I don't see what anyone has to gain by killing him.

https://youtu.be/sA44FFi95PA
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
Just the problems they've had on the KC-46 program (and the money they've lost because of it) shows that there is something deeply wrong at Boeing. The airframe of the KC-46 is the 767 which was FAA certified in July of 1982. To say it is a mature airframe is an understatement. Yet the Air Force twice stopped deliveries of the KC-46, not just for boom problems but for basic airframe manufacturing problems.
https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/air-warfare-symposium/2019/03/01/air-force-suspends-kc-46-tanker-deliveries/
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https://rollcall.com/2019/04/02/air-force-halts-deliveries-of-boeing-tankers-for-second-time/

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so Mr American is going bankrupt and all the other stuff you get wrong. Why is the KC-46 having so many problems but the P—8 is not? Only difference is one is Navy and one is Air Force. Same manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by AirBear View Post
Friend of his said in a TV interview there's no way he would have committed suicide. In the article the reporter mentioned that the lawsuit will still proceed. So I don't see what anyone has to gain by killing him.

https://youtu.be/sA44FFi95PA
That doesn't prove much.

Sirhan Sirhan didn't halt US support of Israel by assassinating RFK either, but it sure looks like he did it anyway.
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Old 03-14-2024, 08:25 PM
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so Mr American is going bankrupt and all the other stuff you get wrong. Why is the KC-46 having so many problems but the P—8 is not? Only difference is one is Navy and one is Air Force. Same manufacturer.
So you think the Air Force stopped accepting aircraft twice and Boeing has lost $7 Billion on the contract because they are doing everything right?

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/04/boeing-losses-building-kc-46-tanker-now-top-7-billion/385685/
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Friend of his said in a TV interview there's no way he would have committed suicide. In the article the reporter mentioned that the lawsuit will still proceed. So I don't see what anyone has to gain by killing him.
If this was a Mob movie, the motive to kill a rat after the fact is to discourage other potentail rats in the future.
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