CRJ accident at Toronto
02-21-2025 | 05:55 PM
#521
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There is a 686 ft desplaced threshold on 23. The taxiway centerline seems to be around 200 ft from the threshold. So on the video there really is no way to tell where the threshold is. It definitely is not directly in front of the camera where the least distortion is. Sorry but I don’t think the video provides enough data.
02-21-2025 | 06:06 PM
#522
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The FDR will supply all the details. The NTSB equivalent will issue the crew info and comms as well.
The video shows ME that this thing pancaked on. Hard. Look at the tail buckle on “touchdown.” Was there a fracture in the right main? Don’t know.
Seems there are two sides here with pilot error vs. structural failure. Well, the report will connect that gap and we will have an answer.
In the mean time, what happens to an Endeavor pilot that flows to Delta but resigns before training is completed? How do they go back to a check airman gig?
Can we put this to rest?
The video shows ME that this thing pancaked on. Hard. Look at the tail buckle on “touchdown.” Was there a fracture in the right main? Don’t know.
Seems there are two sides here with pilot error vs. structural failure. Well, the report will connect that gap and we will have an answer.
In the mean time, what happens to an Endeavor pilot that flows to Delta but resigns before training is completed? How do they go back to a check airman gig?
Can we put this to rest?
02-21-2025 | 06:09 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but look what others have said. 744ButtonPusher says it was 12 fps, you say 16.6. The only way those can be true is if the descent rate was steeper than 3 degrees, but sailing has years of LSO experience and he has called it at 3 degrees. Obviously sailing doesn't know what he is talking about, but even you and 744 have different vertical velocities. And yet the last ADS-B data point was just as the video started and the aircraft descended at 475 fpm. To go from 475 to 1,000 fpm is a large change to the flight path. As I said before, we don't have enough data to make a USEFUL conclusion. The NTSB has access to the actual data that matters. Too many people on this thread have been wrong that even agreeing with your math muddies the water and makes it hard to get any useful information out of this thread.
02-21-2025 | 06:21 PM
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The threshold that I’m referring to was/is the displaced threshold. The video provides enough data, because the camera is positioned at J short of 23, and is about 80’ behind the hold short lines. You can triangulate that based off the background building corner and the runway sign that’s on the opposite side of the runway (visible in the video). In the video that corner and sign are aligned from the video’er’s perspective, putting him roughly 80’ behind the hold short line on J for 23. From there you can triangulate where the displaced threshold would be roughly, which from the camera’s perspective would be approximately above the “5” in the “23-05” painted on the ground.
02-21-2025 | 06:26 PM
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Good question, but it may not be relevant. Maybe they realized they would rather be at the top of a small airline than the bottom of a large airline. 20 years as a captain could make a pretty bad FO. The money really isn't that big of a factor late in a career. It will take 3-5 years at Delta to make up for the earning lost to jump ship. That combined with other factors could have been enough to make the captain want to go back to Endeavour. It could even be a personal issue. Maybe their spouse got cancer and he realized he would rather spend the last few years with more days at home.
02-21-2025 | 06:54 PM
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Good question, but it may not be relevant. Maybe they realized they would rather be at the top of a small airline than the bottom of a large airline. 20 years as a captain could make a pretty bad FO. The money really isn't that big of a factor late in a career. It will take 3-5 years at Delta to make up for the earning lost to jump ship. That combined with other factors could have been enough to make the captain want to go back to Endeavour. It could even be a personal issue. Maybe their spouse got cancer and he realized he would rather spend the last few years with more days at home.
02-21-2025 | 08:04 PM
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What's disputed is that he went back to Endeavor because he failed training. It isn't disputed he flowed to Delta and went back. He's on the Delta seniority list for 3 months in 2022.
02-21-2025 | 08:15 PM
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02-21-2025 | 08:23 PM
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Are you able to read? They specifically said he didn't fail training. Now don't get me wrong, he could have had training issues and left on his o n before he failed, but Delta never said he failed their training program.
02-21-2025 | 08:24 PM
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