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02-22-2025 | 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by YLight

Sure let's wait for the feds to take pressure from DL to call it a "landing." Then what will we learn? Right or wrong, speculation can give rise to looking at your own practices.

DL has spoken. It's really semantics, but yes.

Yes, a foreign government air safety organization will feel pressure to ignore facts of an accident because an airline that is probably a distant 4th in size in Canada doesn't want to get sued.

Especially considering the US government's more aggressive posture toward Canada. It's far more likely they would be more willing to make an example out of a US based organization to exert sovereignty than it is to roll over

02-22-2025 | 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by disenchantMINT

Fortunately a foreign government body is running this investigation which means Delta has less ability to bribe/blackmail/influence the investigation. Not to say they have no ability, but thank god this happened in Toronto and not down the road in Buffalo.

When has the NTSB been bribed/blackmailed/influenced? Seriously?

02-22-2025 | 07:12 AM

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This thread is embarrassing. How about everyone stop playing investigator and bashing fellow pilots. It’s a wonder we allow jumpseating at all considering how so many of us like to destroy each other without all the evidence

02-22-2025 | 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by disenchantMINT

Cite one accident report where a company had ANY influence on the outcome of an investigation.

However, I do agree…I’m glad the Canadians will be handling things.

02-22-2025 | 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bazinga

What's disputed is that he went back to Endeavor because he failed training. It isn't disputed he flowed to Delta and went back. He's on the Delta seniority list for 3 months in 2022.

When the flow was negotiated and signed, it allowed for Endeavor pilots to flow but the company reserved the right to put them on the Delta seniority list but withhold them from actually flowing for 3 months. Management pilots could be held back for 6 months. In 2022, due to the massive shortage, endeavor used this clause for almost 100% of the flows. He is or was also the ASAP Program manager either when he came back or prior to the flow. This would put him into the management pilot bucket.

Additionally, if he was over 55 in 2022, he would not have qualified for Delta retiree pass travel.

02-22-2025 | 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SampsonSimpson

Cite one accident report where a company had ANY influence on the outcome of an investigation.

However, I do agree…I’m glad the Canadians will be handling things.

And I am glad the NTSB will be involved in the investigation. Like you said, I am not aware of ANY influence on the NTSB to affect the outcome of an investigation. The system we have in the US is as close to perfect ad it can be. In many countries the court system performs accident investigations. That is the last thing we want. The NTSB may not be perfect, just like no organization of any type is, but I have full confidence in their system and impartiality.

02-22-2025 | 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JackStraw

If someone flows back due to failure at mainline maybe putting them in a Sim instructor role, anywhere, isn’t the smartest administrative decision.

Try to keep up, I know things are moving fast.

02-22-2025 | 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

Are you saying that it's almost like we don't have the answers and should probably wait until the preliminary report is released before we start throwing stones?

EXACTLY

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02-22-2025 | 07:42 AM

#559

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Originally Posted by CGLimits

When has the NTSB been bribed/blackmailed/influenced? Seriously?

But my tin foil hat was getting dusty, I need to put it on NOW…..

02-22-2025 | 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

And someone earlier mentioned he was on the DL list 3 months. So if we give a fellow pilot the benefit of the doubt while the investigation runs its course, he could’ve been given the opportunity to flow, thought about it long and hard and decided to decline and stay. A sim guy making a very comfortable living, on an aircraft he’s well acquainted with and is probably senior enough to have optimal schedule manipulation. Entirely possible he decided being on reserve on a new airplane, maybe having to commute with no control of days off wasn’t worth a few extra bucks.

So funny how dudes are quick to judge a pilot for presumably failing training when we got a bunch of Skygods camping out in old clapped out 767’s because they refuse to “LeArN fReNcH”.