Taxi Incident
10-24-2011, 06:07 PM
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Taxi Incident
Hey fellas,
Last week my student and I had a taxi incident at the flight school where I instructor. My student was taxiing the aircraft and our right wingtip hit the spinner of another one of our airplanes on the ramp while taxiing down the lane. The other aircraft was not damaged (mechanic said so) and the only damage to ours was a broken landing light lens. It looked clear from my perspective or else I would not have let the student continue to taxi. We were literally going 1-2 knots. Both aircraft were up and flying the next day.
I filled out an air safety form and the assistant chief instructor lectured my student the importance of always looking at the wingtips while taxiing.
Will this affect me getting hired at an airline in the future? The assistant chief instructor said I had nothing to worry about, just learn from what happened.
Last week my student and I had a taxi incident at the flight school where I instructor. My student was taxiing the aircraft and our right wingtip hit the spinner of another one of our airplanes on the ramp while taxiing down the lane. The other aircraft was not damaged (mechanic said so) and the only damage to ours was a broken landing light lens. It looked clear from my perspective or else I would not have let the student continue to taxi. We were literally going 1-2 knots. Both aircraft were up and flying the next day.
I filled out an air safety form and the assistant chief instructor lectured my student the importance of always looking at the wingtips while taxiing.
Will this affect me getting hired at an airline in the future? The assistant chief instructor said I had nothing to worry about, just learn from what happened.
10-24-2011, 06:14 PM
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The NASA form should protect you from enforcement penalties (ie suspension) but will not prevent you from getting a violation on your record.
The good news is that it sounds like it would be very hard for the FAA to find out...there's no requirement to report this to them. Even if they did find out I doubt they would bother with it...worst case they would probably invite you to the FSDO for a lecture and then bury the whole thing.
Even if it did get on your record, it would not keep from getting hired as long as you were honest about it. Except at eagle...you will never, ever under any circumstances be employed by AE or AA with this history. They would far rather go bankrupt for lack of pilots than even think about hiring you (and they probably will go bankrupt).
But I would be honest about it, it will make a good harmless interview story. It's also possible that you employer will report the incident via PRIA, although if you have a good relationship with him you could ask if he will report it. He has to report what's in your record, but if he didn't put anything in your record to begin with...
The good news is that it sounds like it would be very hard for the FAA to find out...there's no requirement to report this to them. Even if they did find out I doubt they would bother with it...worst case they would probably invite you to the FSDO for a lecture and then bury the whole thing.
Even if it did get on your record, it would not keep from getting hired as long as you were honest about it. Except at eagle...you will never, ever under any circumstances be employed by AE or AA with this history. They would far rather go bankrupt for lack of pilots than even think about hiring you (and they probably will go bankrupt).
But I would be honest about it, it will make a good harmless interview story. It's also possible that you employer will report the incident via PRIA, although if you have a good relationship with him you could ask if he will report it. He has to report what's in your record, but if he didn't put anything in your record to begin with...
10-24-2011, 06:28 PM
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Thanks for your response. The assistant chief told me "we have guys in senior management that have done worse than you".
The FAA was actually at the school that day doing a records check and I guess the chief instructor asked the person "got time for an investigation?" (they were buried up to their neck in records). I was back to flying with students the next day. Is there a way to check your record? Just kinda nervous, that's all, haven't heard anything so far (happened on Thursday).
The FAA was actually at the school that day doing a records check and I guess the chief instructor asked the person "got time for an investigation?" (they were buried up to their neck in records). I was back to flying with students the next day. Is there a way to check your record? Just kinda nervous, that's all, haven't heard anything so far (happened on Thursday).
10-24-2011, 07:08 PM
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You can request a copy of your record. It costs a few bucks. If you are concerned about this mishap, I would wait a while before making the request to give the feds time to do the typing.
The real question is does this mishap REQUIRE notification. Sounds to me that it doesn't. Reread NTSB 830 and this
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The real question is does this mishap REQUIRE notification. Sounds to me that it doesn't. Reread NTSB 830 and this
Reigel Law Firm, Ltd., an Aviation Law Firm
Never lie, but sometimes silence IS golden.
10-25-2011, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
You can request a copy of your record. It costs a few bucks. If you are concerned about this mishap, I would wait a while before making the request to give the feds time to do the typing.
The real question is does this mishap REQUIRE notification. Sounds to me that it doesn't. Reread NTSB 830 and this
Reigel Law Firm, Ltd., an Aviation Law Firm
Never lie, but sometimes silence IS golden.
The real question is does this mishap REQUIRE notification. Sounds to me that it doesn't. Reread NTSB 830 and this
Reigel Law Firm, Ltd., an Aviation Law Firm
Never lie, but sometimes silence IS golden.
If they start an investigation you will get an LOI in the email. I think the courts have ruled that they need to start the investigation within six months, so if you don't hear anything for six months you should be free-and-clear.
This is not a reportable incident from what you described.
Don't lose any sleep over this, but be very careful if you chose to not disclose it. Airlines will ask, and they will expect an honest answer.
10-25-2011, 10:49 AM
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Don't even sweat it. A broken landing light lens? Big whoop. The fact that you took the time to post it here is too much time spent thinking about it. We all make mistakes, we are all human 
10-25-2011, 12:29 PM
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Your chief instructor told the FAA to investigate you? He's a jerk. They didn't want to know about it, because they don't care about trivial things like that. You won't do it again, everybody knows that.
This isn't an accident or an incident. Don't check that box on any application and don't bring this up. It didn't happen.
This isn't an accident or an incident. Don't check that box on any application and don't bring this up. It didn't happen.
10-25-2011, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Singlecoil
Your chief instructor told the FAA to investigate you? He's a jerk. They didn't want to know about it, because they don't care about trivial things like that. You won't do it again, everybody knows that.
This isn't an accident or an incident. Don't check that box on any application and don't bring this up. It didn't happen.
This isn't an accident or an incident. Don't check that box on any application and don't bring this up. It didn't happen.
Just be sure.
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10-25-2011, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Just be darn sure your boss won't bring it up on a reference call...they will ask. That could turn a total non-event into a career-ender.
Just be sure.
Just be sure.
10-25-2011, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Airframe
What does this mean exactly? You mean if he used his boss as a reference and he disclosed this event to the employer?
If he decides to not disclose the event he needs to be certain that his boss will not bring it up during a reference call...even if they ask about incidents which they probably will. He needs to be 100% certain that his boss will lie for him.
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