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Flameout 12-21-2011 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1105660)
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I think we're safe on that; "measured from the time the flightcrew member is released from duty"

The rest requirements in paragraph E only apply after you've finished a duty period. Most commuters are coming back after 24+ hours free from duty.

I'm not so sure. I fear future lawsuits and NTSB recommendations are going to tighten the definition of "rest" so that commuting from well outside of your base becomes disallowed.

Milehighrabbi 12-21-2011 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by samballs (Post 1105659)
How you rest is up to you. This does not affect commuting.

I hope you're right. But how you rest is up to us right now. With this change, how we rest must include 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity.

It's going to depend on interpretation. As rest is interpreted now, it happens BEFORE duty, not AFTER duty. The devil is in the details.

tsquare 12-21-2011 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by Flameout (Post 1105673)
I'm not so sure. I fear future lawsuits and NTSB recommendations are going to tighten the definition of "rest" so that commuting from well outside of your base becomes disallowed.

All that would do is drive it underground. DAL pilots would be riding JBLU jumpseats and JBLU pilots would be riding DAL jumpseats... the paperwork would never catch up to you... No way is the gubbamint competent enough to track all that.

samballs 12-21-2011 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Flameout (Post 1105673)
I'm not so sure. I fear future lawsuits and NTSB recommendations are going to tighten the definition of "rest" so that commuting from well outside of your base becomes disallowed.

Forcing pilot to live in base. That would cost airlines money, and i believe by these rules its proof the airlines are more powerful then govt. And they sure as he'll whoop Alpas assets in strength.

CactusCrew 12-21-2011 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1105684)
All that would do is drive it underground. DAL pilots would be riding JBLU jumpseats and JBLU pilots would be riding DAL jumpseats... the paperwork would never catch up to you... No way is the gubbamint competent enough to track all that.

Hate to break it to you but UPS has been tracking its crew-members and their CASS requests for a few years now ...

samballs 12-21-2011 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Milehighrabbi (Post 1105674)
I hope you're right. But how you rest is up to us right now. With this change, how we rest must include 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity.

It's going to depend on interpretation. As rest is interpreted now, it happens BEFORE duty, not AFTER duty. The devil is in the details.

So at home my 3 yr old wakes me uo, on a plane with plugs in and sleeping more rest. I think u read to much in this

afterburn81 12-21-2011 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1105684)
All that would do is drive it underground. DAL pilots would be riding JBLU jumpseats and JBLU pilots would be riding DAL jumpseats... the paperwork would never catch up to you... No way is the gubbamint competent enough to track all that.

You sure do make commuting sound easy. I take what I can get.

tsquare 12-21-2011 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by CactusCrew (Post 1105693)
Hate to break it to you but UPS has been tracking its crew-members and their CASS requests for a few years now ...

So if a UPS pilot rides on DAL, UPS knows about it? That is interesting. Of course the gubbamint would have to get that information from UPS... and correlate it with flights that the pilot in question had flown.. and then decide if there was anything that they could/would/should do about it. I think the ensuing paperwork and manpower required to the FAA would cause a lot of cholesterol in their already braindead system. But I could be wrong. It IS interesting though..

gloopy 12-21-2011 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1105684)
All that would do is drive it underground. DAL pilots would be riding JBLU jumpseats and JBLU pilots would be riding DAL jumpseats... the paperwork would never catch up to you... No way is the gubbamint competent enough to track all that.

I don't think its that hard to track but even if it was, this isn't about safety its about liability. If anything happens, they will pull out all the stops and get records of your commute on any airline, cell phone call/text/tower ping data, time of facebook activity, ez-pass time stamps, credit card runs, anything and everything to place the blame on you. Then they act all high and mighty to the press and regulators while saying "gee, we insured this valueable crewmember got ample legal rest opportunity they must be a rule breaking maverick".

gloopy 12-21-2011 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1105700)
So if a UPS pilot rides on DAL, UPS knows about it? That is interesting. Of course the gubbamint would have to get that information from UPS... and correlate it with flights that the pilot in question had flown.. and then decide if there was anything that they could/would/should do about it. I think the ensuing paperwork and manpower required to the FAA would cause a lot of cholesterol in their already braindead system. But I could be wrong. It IS interesting though..

It could be automated, but even if its not the paperwork is still there and can be gather easilly regardless of expense or manpower in the event of an accident. Even if it cost them a million man hours that's a bargain to them if it helps blame the pilot after the fact.


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