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Old 06-18-2013, 06:56 PM
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TWA Flight 800 investigators break silence in new documentary, claim original conclusion about cause of crash is wrong | Fox News

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A group of whistleblowers, including a number of aviation experts, have come forward in a new documentary to claim that the official explanation for the crash of TWA Flight 800 was wrong and a gas tank explosion did not bring down the flight off the coast of Long Island 17 years ago.
However, the six whistleblowers, all part of the original investigation team, stopped short of saying the plane was shot down.
Flight 800, a Boeing 747, had just taken off from JFK airport with 230 people aboard on July 17, 1996 enroute to Paris when it exploded and crashed off the coast of nearby East Moriches, Long Island, killing everyone on the plane.
“..This team of investigators who actually handled the wreckage and victims’ bodies, prove that the officially proposed fuel-air explosion did not cause the crash,” reads a statement by the producers of the film, which will debut on cable network EPIX next month. “They also provide radar and forensic evidence proving that one or more ordinance explosions outside the aircraft caused the crash.” However, the statement said they did not speculate about the source or sources of any ordinance explosions.
The whistleblower team, which includes investigators-at the time-from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), TWA, and the Airline Pilots Association, have since retired from their positions. They claim that at the time, they were placed under a gag order by the NTSB, which they charged falsified the official conclusion of the cause of the crash. They indicated they would elaborate more in a Wednesday media briefing.
The NTSB report, the culmination of a four-year investigation, suggested the cause of the explosion was due to an explosion in the gas tank caused by a short circuit.
With conspiracy theories immediately swirling around the crash – one being that it was caused by a terrorist missile strike -- the FBI conducted a 16-month investigation and concluded that there was no evidence to indicate that any criminal act occurred.



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Many of the "conspiracy" and "missile" claims are downright impossible given physics and the elements in place on that day. This accident was a classic example of how witnesses will say all sorts of crazy things that never happened or that they did not witness. In fact, this accident is often used as a case-study.
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
Many of the "conspiracy" and "missile" claims are downright impossible given physics and the elements in place on that day. This accident was a classic example of how witnesses will say all sorts of crazy things that never happened or that they did not witness. In fact, this accident is often used as a case-study.

Yes. It would be absolutely impossible for a military unit to accidentally shoot a missile and then have all personnel involved remain silent. You cannot legally make information classified to cover up a crime, so whistleblowers would be protected and everybody knows that.

But it's interesting that multiple investigators including a retired NTSB staffers are involved in this. They might simply see an opportunity to cash in on their involvement, or there might be something to it...just maybe. I seriously doubt it but I'll see what they have to say.

But if it was malicious, it was terror or criminals.
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Saw an article about this on CNN etc. Appears nothing really being offered in this shlockumentary as proof it was a malicious act. Theory is the word of the day.

How about this theory: The releases being put out about this documentary are more like pre-hype press releases pushing the documentary itself. My “roll my eyes and raise my brows” response goes on full alert anytime documentaries like this are produced. Zero interest in it for me. Of course though, conspiracy theories sell big time, bring in some easy money, and get all the bait fish out there in a spinning frenzy.
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Interesting that Boeing was blind to this conspiracy, too. They fell for the fuel tank explosion lie and even went so far as to design and install a nitrogen inerting system for that center fuel tank in all of the new 747-8's when they clearly did not have to do so. What fools.

The really connected people theorize that the explosion was caused when one of the chemtrailing pumps overheated and the toxic brain control chemicals ignited in the secret concealed tank.

We may never know what happened because the special agent's bodies were transported out of the plane just prior to the crash possibly due to their failure to wear their protective foil head garments.

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Yes. It would be absolutely impossible for a military unit to accidentally shoot a missile and then have all personnel involved remain silent. You cannot legally make information classified to cover up a crime, so whistleblowers would be protected and everybody knows that.
I'd have to go back and get the details again, but note I said the "physics" were impossible, not the occurrence. Sure, there have been missiles fired by mistake, at both military and civilian targets, but the physics of it, IE the exact circumstances made these things impossible. The lady that claims to have seen a missile streak up was on the opposite side of the island or looking in the opposite direction/blocked and so on. This is what makes it such a good case study. Eyewitnesses are both the best and worst resources we have for investigating accidents. I even remember one of the conspiracies, and people believed this as well, was that it was a MANPAD type weapon, despite the huge difference in those and a ship-fired SAM missile.
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
Interesting that Boeing was blind to this conspiracy, too. They fell for the fuel tank explosion lie and even went so far as to design and install a nitrogen inerting system for that center fuel tank in all of the new 747-8's when they clearly did not have to do so. What fools.

The really connected people theorize that the explosion was caused when one of the chemtrailing pumps overheated and the toxic brain control chemicals ignited in the secret concealed tank.

We may never know what happened because the special agent's bodies were transported out of the plane just prior to the crash possibly due to their failure to wear their protective foil head garments.

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You right! Government investigators ALWAYS tell the truth and there is NO possibility that they would alter or distort the truth. Never! I mean there isn't even ANY history to back up this theory. None!
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You cannot legally make information classified to cover up a crime, so whistleblowers would be protected and everybody knows that.
That's a regular occurrence. Look at all the lawsuits from the 90's regarding burning toxic waste at the AFTTC DETs in Nevada.

They hid behind their classified work for a long time.
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In my humble opinion, there is something to the notion that non-aviation witnesses have active imaginations. It seems every time there is an aircraft that augers into the ground in daylight near a population center, witnesses invariably all describe how the aircraft stalled, burst into flames, and the wings fell off, whether any of that actually occurred or not.

That said, in the instance of TWA flight 800, given that a respected journalist sacrificed his career to tell what he thought was the truth, I believe that we will never know the truth. Many here already believe they know the truth, but thinking you know, and knowing, are two entirely different things.

The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it. A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it.
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That's a regular occurrence. Look at all the lawsuits from the 90's regarding burning toxic waste at the AFTTC DETs in Nevada.

They hid behind their classified work for a long time.
So they committed a crime and then created a classified compartment to cover it up after the fact?

So exactly what classification compartment covers shooting down a civilian airliner? Why didn't they use that compartment when we shot down the Iran Air flight?

Who is "they" and how do you keep a crew of 300+ quiet? Those sailors are regular guys and girls...the vast majority would do the right thing. Also, anybody who's spent any time in the military knows there are always a few disgruntled junior folks who are in for one term, hate it, can't wait to get out, and would love nothing better than to stick it to their bosses and the system.

The idea of a friendly shootdown is tin-foil hat lunacy. The idea of a hostile shootdown is in improbable in the extreme due to the limitations of man-portable systems and the fact that the bad guys have no truck-launched or fixed SAM systems located in CONUS Also they never found in evidence of damage from an external HE blast.
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