To go-around or not.....that is the question.
09-07-2013, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Lucky8888
91/135 - In our operation, go-around's are a no-fault. In fact, we encourage go-around's if there is any doubt in the approach.
PBS: Carrier - Landing on a Pitching Deck Pt. 1 - YouTube
Seriously though, if you haven't already seen this short video, watch it, it is an excellent feature on training Navy pilots on a tough night made a few years ago.
09-07-2013, 09:07 AM
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No shame............
But how many tell the pax the truth?
There was an a/c on the runway
ATC made a mistake
or
"Folks, we were not in a proper position to make a safe landing, so we're going to get it right on this approach and make a proper/safe/smooth touchdown.
There was an a/c on the runway
ATC made a mistake
or
"Folks, we were not in a proper position to make a safe landing, so we're going to get it right on this approach and make a proper/safe/smooth touchdown.
09-07-2013, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Often times it isn't even their call whether they go-around (wave-off) or not.
Plus - that wasn't training; that was fleet ops.
Plus - that wasn't training; that was fleet ops.
Ok... fleet ops.
I consider every single flight that I make a type of training. 
09-07-2013, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by N9373M
But how many tell the pax the truth?
There was an a/c on the runway
ATC made a mistake
or
"Folks, we were not in a proper position to make a safe landing, so we're going to get it right on this approach and make a proper/safe/smooth touchdown.
There was an a/c on the runway
ATC made a mistake
or
"Folks, we were not in a proper position to make a safe landing, so we're going to get it right on this approach and make a proper/safe/smooth touchdown.
Something said in lay terms like: "we were arriving too quickly for the plane in front of us so had to go around" or "ATC asked us to make a circle for their sequencing" or "wind conditions suddenly changed so we wanted to be safe for the landing" is all honest, informative, and reassuring. Don't blame even if other at fault.
Being misleading, lying, or being hedgy is much, much worse. You don't need to give the gory details, but letting the people in back know what is going on is reassuring, not upsetting.
Besides, it's all on LiveATC anyway.
09-07-2013, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Yep... my understanding is the LSO or pilot can abort a landing? In reality I'd imagine any number of people involved could make the call, if deck was fouled, etc...
The post was more of a joke regarding pilots being ashamed to make a go around.
- yes....I got the humor.
Ok... fleet ops. I consider every single flight that I make a type of training.
I consider every single flight that I make a type of training.
In carrier ops though - there is a LARGE difference between a training flight and Fleet/Blue water Ops.
09-07-2013, 09:41 PM
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The problem with go arounds is there is no flashing light, no bells, or clackers telling us to do it. I'm five knots fast, no biggie. Then, I'm half a dot high, okay, long runway. Then sink rate is 1200 ft per min due to a tailwind. It is the sum of several marginally bad things that lead to a dangerous approach. Determining where grey becomes black when we are often faced with grey becomes tough.
09-08-2013, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Yazzoo
When in doubt, punch out.
Captain has to fill out a report at my airline for going around but they claim to have a "no-fault go around policy."
Captain has to fill out a report at my airline for going around but they claim to have a "no-fault go around policy."
It would be better to have a policy that recommends an appropriate report for informative purposes...IOR if it's not your fault or ASAP if it might be.
I'll do ASAPs even when I'm not at any fault, if there's a systemic issue that might be worth bringing to light.
09-10-2013, 09:12 AM
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My former employer required a report for a GA for a long time. It was determined by our safety committee people that this was discouraging them because people didn't want to do the paperwork. This practice was stopped but the attitude persisted for a long time.
I went years without doing a GA outside of the sim. Then in about a 1 month span I did 5 of them for various reasons. Too many lives have been lost because of foolish pride when going around and starting over would have cost only a few minutes.
I'm of the opinion that a company that questions your motives for going around shouldn't be in business. My life is worth far more than the extra fuel I just burned.
I went years without doing a GA outside of the sim. Then in about a 1 month span I did 5 of them for various reasons. Too many lives have been lost because of foolish pride when going around and starting over would have cost only a few minutes.
I'm of the opinion that a company that questions your motives for going around shouldn't be in business. My life is worth far more than the extra fuel I just burned.
09-10-2013, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilotpip
I'm of the opinion that a company that questions your motives for going around shouldn't be in business. My life is worth far more than the extra fuel I just burned.
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