clearprop

filler......

SpeedyVagabond

I don't think having standards and expecting others to have them as well is judgemental. How do planes operating under IFR land at the wrong airport other than through gross negligence? There really is no excuse for any of us 121 types to be doing this. We have a very serious responsibility for the lives behind us. Perhaps you apologists should go do something else. Our passengers deserve better.

captjns

I wonder if the crew reviewed the airport diagram. The terminal building at KBBG is to the north east of the runway. There's nothing to the northesast of the runway at KPLK. That should have been the first give away while on short approach.

vilcas

Maybe the aircraft in question had the FMS differed and they were doing this old school.

HIFLYR

I would guess still a place to have bearing and distance to runway or airport. It would be bad to be on short final and the distance on the PROG page to be increasing.

kronan

Well,

Trust your instruments even when you think your instruments are Wrong, Trust your instruments. ALL of your instruments are HIGHLY unlikely to be wrong.

Pay attention to what you brief---if there's supposed to be a PAPI on the left side of the rwy....and it's not there during the approach. That could be a sign your about to land at the wrong airport (or missed a NOTAM). If Tower is Open, use the de-confuser switch to ASK. Better to Ask than ASSume you know the answer.

Look at the Gigantic numbers on the Rwy you're about to Land on...if they're different. Could be another sign you're about to land somewhere you don't intend.

If the magenta line stretches another 6-10 miles before the Rwy on your Nav Display, well, that's another sign your about to become infamous.

When something doesn't seem quite right, speak up. Would you rather talk about it in the debrief or in front of someone's desk?

ATCsaidDoWhat

I think you are way off base as you were in your previous post. This isn't an issue of lack of standards, laziness, lack of professionalism or anything like it. In this case, you nor anyone here knows what was going on inside the cockpit...only the crew and CVR do and soon NTSB will as well. I promise you that even though it's been many years since I was a check airman, I could find you committing failures in the way you operate and I don't know you. You aren't as perfect as you think and if you keep thinking that you are, you will be the first one at the scene. History has shown that to be the case more than you want to know.

Accidents and incidents are caused by a chain of events. Break the chain and you prevent the event. Many of the chains don't get discovered until after a crash and dead bodies. We all were fortunate here that no one and nothing was hurt. The answers will be found and steps taken to ensure the chain is broken next time.

The very reason our passengers have gotten better outcomes over the years is because instead of taking your attitude, the profession chose to take an attitude of accepting that human interface means erors CAN happen. And what's needed when they do is not vilification; but understanding and designing or redesigning procedures to prevent them in the future.

MooneyBlues

Did they takeoff yet? CNN cut the coverage off at 4 est.

Packrat

Exactly the advice Jimmy Doolittle gave in the '20s when instrument flying was in its infancy. Back up your visual approaches with either an instrument, RNP or build a runway extended center line with a 3 degree glide slope.

And there's no shame in a missed approach.

Brokeasspot

Yes, was an uneventful departure!