satpak77

Actually his points are pretty spot-on

USMCFLYR

Unlimited training/flight time?
US military?
Where are you getting this notion?

Where did the military enter this discussion in the first place?

Csy Mon

Those rich and low-time guys should have to have a safety Pilot for the first 100 or 200 hours in type when operating a jet, not a toy anymore.
Say a retired airline type with tons of jet time.
Wonder how many hrs and what ratings the Dr. had this time?
Doubt it was 1500 and ATP

FlyJay

This may be him.

SrfNFly227

There's already a requirement for that. It's usually only 25 hours though and there are a handful of things that will get a person out of it (previous PIC type, etc.).

I've personally flown with one owner/operator in a Citation Mustang and I can say without any doubt that he didn't think it was a toy. I also went through initial for the Phenom 100 with an owner/operator and I can say that he wasn't going to treat it as such either. In fact, he was paying to get 2 other pilots their PIC types so that he would always have someone to fly with.

The generalities that are thrown around on this site are starting to really get to me. The Phenom is truly an easy airplane to fly, but it has a few gotchas. The brakes and the stall system are two of those gotchas. This isn't an airliner and it isn't a Lear. If you haven't flown in the modern light jets, you should really keep your speculation to a minimum as you really have no idea what you are talking about.

UnusualAttitude

Denial of statistics and historical data doesn't make it untrue. You have your head in the sand my friend.

UA

RI830

The Phenom is easy to fly for professionals, guys are properly trained or more than Weekend Warriors.
The problem is engine failure and other complicated system failures when SPO.

the facts don't shine a good light on this guy since he already has an accident in another airframe.

This accident is likely to reinforce my massive opposition to a 100/300 common type. These owner/operators will buy them a 300 and only be able to pass a 100 ride. Then they are twice as dangerous in twice the airplane.

Prayers go out to all the lives cut short and the families left behind.

Timbo

Does the Phenom have an AOA indication/warning system? Look down this "Safety" page a bit for the discussion of GA pilots and AOA training.

If you think Doctors shouldn't be flying light jets solo, I agree with you in principle, but do you want to guess how many innocent people were killed on the streets today, buy rich guys, texting or drunk driving?

A hundred maybe?

Want to guess how many rich guys have killed themselves on Harley's?

Or in a Porsche?

Yet no call to ban rich guys from driving cars.

I get upset when ever innocent bystanders are killed by idiots, be it cars or airplanes, perhaps the FAA was lax in letting this guy off the hook after his first crash, but this type accident is nothing new, remember Thurman Munson in his Citation? Or how about Jon Jon Kennedy? At least they didn't wipe out a family on the ground.

SrfNFly227

No AOA indication on the Phenom. G1000 airspeed tape will show the red stall portion though.

ShyGuy

NTSB Sumwalt states the stall warning went on 20 seconds prior to end of FDR data, warning stayed on, and in those 20 seconds there were several pitch oscillations up/down and apparently banking too.



All indications of a Stall/spin accident into the ground by a rich pilot trying to fly a light jet like a Cessna 172 he was following in to the airport.