FDXLAG

What Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators meant to say was an understanding of "on speed" AOA in aircraft with relatively low power and relatively long spool up times is essential.

cardiomd

Yes they are important, but that was not the main thesis - the discussion was about the altered relationship between lift coefficient and AOA in low aspect / high wing loading aircraft as opposed to higher aspect ratio airfoils. This leads to major changes in behavior, particularly at lower speed regimes (e.g. on approach).

This effect is largely independent of power available (of which the F16 has a great deal), and spool-up time. The powerplant factors are also independently discussed IIRC in that text.

badflaps

Didn't I see you over at PPrune?

cardiomd

Nope, I'm not registered there. I thought this was a much more "mature" place but sometimes I'm not so sure; there are definitely a few exceptions.

RhinoPherret

Yes cardio. Because you have led the way here with some of your oh so very mature responses and droning on and on just to see yourself in print (like the person that just wants to hear their voice in person).

There is a mix of satire, insults, rude comments etc. in the APC forums and you have been right in there with the rest of us dude! Don't pretend otherwise. Spouting passages from your text books and mindless banter at times do not make you the professor.

brianb

Amen brother, amen!!!

WARich

What was the original reason for this thread? It's been lost in translation.

cardiomd

Like I said, there are a few exceptions!

I can't remember either. I think that the T38 driver was saying F16s have good visibility, better than a cessna. I thought the aerodynamics tanget was informative in explaining the nose down approach of a cessna to the flat to nose-up approach of an F16 (AOA ~11 deg). I did get out my old copies of aeronautics books from the 1980's which was great to read through between flights this weekend.

I'd forgotten how good the Naval text is, here is a quote again that directly addresses FDXLAG's points, from "Specific Problems of Flying"

mainly commenting on the approach path.

Particularly the book does a great job of explaining the everyday and practical aspects of flight with a minimum of straightforward advanced-high-school level math, which was a task NOT well accomplished by most collegiate engineering textbooks, as many of you would also testify.

jungle

Let me sum it up, a Cessna blundered into the approach path of a major airport. This isn't the first or last such incident. There have also been many incidents of piston singles and Twins blundering into bombing ranges and flying into the ADIZ undeclared.
I have seen a few of these and was lucky to see and avoid, but it was only luck.

Chris Knight

Or over Cape Canaveral during a shuttle launch countdown.