Russian A-321 in Egypt
11-05-2015, 05:18 PM
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Also in a very high G situation the elevators will be putting a high downward force on the fuselage, putting the top part of the fuselage longerons into very high tension and the bottom half into very high compression. The clean break observed at the top portion of the fuselage and the crumpled break forward of that on the bottom portion of the fuselage could reflect this dynamic.
11-05-2015, 07:51 PM
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Even 1-g has download in a conventional aircraft. Airliner download is typically in the 3-5% range of the total lift when clean (much higher when full flap).
I saw one aerial wreckage shot which suggests the wings were attached at impact. That would be rare if it had been high-g.
And, I think the horizontal was there until impact, probably making it tumble......and slow down. Otherwise, the tail section would have been near supersonic when it hit.
I just hope they all passed out within a few seconds. RIP.
I saw one aerial wreckage shot which suggests the wings were attached at impact. That would be rare if it had been high-g.
And, I think the horizontal was there until impact, probably making it tumble......and slow down. Otherwise, the tail section would have been near supersonic when it hit.
I just hope they all passed out within a few seconds. RIP.
11-06-2015, 03:18 AM
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It will be easy enough to tell. If the top longerons were pulled apart in tension and the bottom ones crushed together in compression then a bomb did not cause the tail section to depart. And it is possible to pull the elevators off without separating one or both wings, depending on structure, loading, and fuel load. I don't know why you say the tail section would be at a high velocity; it has a lot of "wetted" area and relatively little weight. I think it would have stabilized at a relatively low velocity after separation, which seems to be what the photo illustrates.
11-06-2015, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Vital Signs
Maybe not the case here but......
Someone should also keep an eye out for 400 SAMS that were "displaced"
'400 surface-to-air missiles' were 'STOLEN' from Libya during the Benghazi attack, says whistle-blowers' attorney | Daily Mail Online
Benghazi Was About 400 Surface-to-Air-Missiles Stolen by 'Some Very Ugly People,' DiGenova Says
Someone should also keep an eye out for 400 SAMS that were "displaced"
'400 surface-to-air missiles' were 'STOLEN' from Libya during the Benghazi attack, says whistle-blowers' attorney | Daily Mail Online
Benghazi Was About 400 Surface-to-Air-Missiles Stolen by 'Some Very Ugly People,' DiGenova Says
I would consider it highly unlikely that...
1) We had that many manpads in libya. There would be no purpose at that stage of the game.
2) If we did, they were unguarded. Benghazi conspiracies aside, the state dept would not have anything to do with handling large quantities of military ordnance...that would be DoD or possibly OGA, and they would secure them properly.
Now are there hundreds of surplus soviet manpads (whose shelf-life expired in 1992) in Libya? I would imagine so.
11-06-2015, 03:01 PM
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I see you are trying to think logically.
Try thinking deeper and more devious.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/obamas-...e-east/5450832
Intel expert: New docs confirm Hillary gun-running op
And no, I am not saying this has anything to do with the Russian airliner.....so back to the.......
Try thinking deeper and more devious.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/obamas-...e-east/5450832
Intel expert: New docs confirm Hillary gun-running op
And no, I am not saying this has anything to do with the Russian airliner.....so back to the.......
11-06-2015, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Vital Signs
I see you are trying to think logically.
Try thinking deeper and more devious.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/obamas-...e-east/5450832
Intel expert: New docs confirm Hillary gun-running op
And no, I am not saying this has anything to do with the Russian airliner.....so back to the.......
Try thinking deeper and more devious.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/obamas-...e-east/5450832
Intel expert: New docs confirm Hillary gun-running op
And no, I am not saying this has anything to do with the Russian airliner.....so back to the.......
11-17-2015, 02:02 PM
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Sadly, this is what I suspected from the beginning.
Russia Says Bomb Brought Down Plane in Egypt - WSJ
Russia Says Bomb Brought Down Plane in Egypt - WSJ
11-18-2015, 04:17 AM
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Maybe, maybe not. The Russian "security chief" is not part of the investigation and his releasing any information shows contempt for the investigation. I would like to see what the Airbus engineers have to say about the structural failure and what the flight data recorder shows. I am sure Airbus would be relieved if it was determined to be a bomb and not their over-complicated flight control system. At the same time I have confidence that the Airbus engineers cannot be pressured into saying something false.
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