Shooting at the FLL airport
01-06-2017, 06:28 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by NMuir
This is why airports should not be gun-free zones. A good guy with a gun in close proximity could have stopped this guy before he killed this many people.
01-06-2017, 06:32 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by NMuir
This is why airports should not be gun-free zones. A good guy with a gun in close proximity could have stopped this guy before he killed this many people.
01-06-2017, 06:46 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I don't think you understand the issue here, Delta is a corporation that can deny travel to anyone without due process. If the airline doesn't know someone is a safety threat, they are blind to possible incidents such as this.
This guy turned himself into the FBI in November saying he was going to do this.
This guy turned himself into the FBI in November saying he was going to do this.
From the Buzzfeed article linked above:
"Piro said Santiago had voluntarily walked into the FBI’s Anchorage office in November and spoke to agents there, though he did not go into detail as to why the 26-year-old went to the FBI.
“He clearly stated that he did not intend to harm anyone, however his erratic behavior concerned FBI agents interviewing him and contacted local police and turned him over to them,” Piro said.
Santiago was then taken to a medical facility for a mental health evaluation, but Piro said it was unclear what happened to the Anchorage man afterward."
The FBI has no right to notify airlines about potentially dangerous people unless they follow the applicable law. Given that Santiago insisted to the FBI that he had no intention of harming anyone, that would have extinguished the FBI's authority at that time.“He clearly stated that he did not intend to harm anyone, however his erratic behavior concerned FBI agents interviewing him and contacted local police and turned him over to them,” Piro said.
Santiago was then taken to a medical facility for a mental health evaluation, but Piro said it was unclear what happened to the Anchorage man afterward."
The FBI was concerned enough, however, to turn him over to local law enforcement to ensure he received an evaluation for mental illness, which fell within local law enforcement's jurisdiction, not the FBI's.
Under many states' gun laws, if a gun owner is determined to be mentally ill and a danger to others, their gun licenses can be suspended and their guns confiscated, but that's a matter of state law, not Federal law, and I don't know whether Alaska has a "SAFE Act".
'Tis many a slip twixt cup and lip: this appears to be one of them, but not due to any fault or failure of the FBI, at least from what's been disclosed so far.
Last edited by Tweety; 01-06-2017 at 06:47 PM. Reason: typo
01-06-2017, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bwipilot
I'm not sure where you are coming from. My perspective is that the problem is that the rights of the few are championed over the safety of the many. The "right" to travel isn't in our Bill of Rights. Hence, there are many people on the Do not Fly lists. However, enough people use patient/client privilege to ensure that people with mental illnesses are protected.
No Constitutional right is absolute, but when one is considered "fundamental" (such as the right to bear arms) the ability of law enforcement to intervene or regulate the right is severealy limited, whether the protected right is claimed by the majority or the minority at any given time.
01-07-2017, 08:16 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by AirOverTheLog
Exactly!!! Everyone should be allowed to pack heat. You never know when someone is going to try and wax you in a bathroom at the airport. [ sarcasm ]
Originally Posted by N311JB
You can't be serious? Aside from local law enforcement, military personnel in full camo, and pilots carrying; there are only a few times, this and LAX where this has occurred. I'd say the airport is one of the safest places (probability) in the country.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Obviously the government cannot protect everyone all the time. Even in a very secure facility the government cannot protect everyone all the time as this incident has shown.
If a good guy with a gun, a concealed citizen perhaps, was standing in baggage claim at the time, then perhaps this crank would've only been able to shoot one or two people instead of 6.
01-07-2017, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by NMuir
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Obviously the government cannot protect everyone all the time. Even in a very secure facility the government cannot protect everyone all the time as this incident has shown.
If a good guy with a gun, a concealed citizen perhaps, was standing in baggage claim at the time, then perhaps this crank would've only been able to shoot one or two people instead of 6.
If a good guy with a gun, a concealed citizen perhaps, was standing in baggage claim at the time, then perhaps this crank would've only been able to shoot one or two people instead of 6.
So, how does concealed carry Joe get to baggage claim? Don't say because he's picking someone up.
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