etflies

It is open to reason, there has yet to be a rational argument against what I have said. Innocent citizens weren't being arrested. There is a HUGE difference between ordering people to shelter in place and then conducting as orderly an evacuation as is possible during a potential active shooter situation, and an arrest.

Never in history were mass shootings as common place as they are now.

Still waiting on your expert opinion concerning how it should've been handled.

popcorn

I guess you missed the throngs of people marched across the tarmac at gunpoint, then sent across the airport to a "holding area" when they were held for hours, refused release, and questioned like criminals. If that's not your definition of being arrested, I can't convince you.

My opinion of the best way to handle it was lock down the secure area, have everyone remain there until the event ended, then orderly evacuate the airport. Not storming gates with highly armed SWAT officers and ordering people out emergency exits and off of boarded airplanes. The basic incident of a single shooter outside security gave NO REASON to suspect the secure area had been compromised. The "authorities" MASSIVELY overreacted and created total chaos with their actions. and many people were seriously injured during that "evacuation". Nearly every authority at other airports have said it was handled extremely poorly, and didn't follow any accepted playbook for such incidents.

CBreezy

That's not true at all. It doesn't matter what state you're in. Even if you're in a concealed carry state, like Texas, very few people with them go and hang out in baggage claim with their gun. The vast majority of people in airports just got off a flight. The odds that someone in baggage claim is there with a gun because they are picking someone up are so incredibly low, it's probably near zero. Especially considering most people wait in cell phone lots now.

Unlike malls or movie theaters or other soft targets, airports are not destinations. People go there for a purpose and often spend as little time there are possible. There is no deterrent value in concealed carry in airports. Now, plain-clothes police or Marshalls? That's a different story and where this discussion should be going.

N311JB

Yeah, ironically Florida is one of those states

etflies

Given that law enforcement couldn't confirm that there weren't multiple shooters they had a legal right to detain and question people. Legally speaking nobody was arrested. If you can't understand the difference between being lawfully detained and arrested, I can't convince you.

Further, I saw the same video feed you likely did. The officer had guns to respond to any threats that arose. They weren't forcing people at gunpoint. Keeping in mind that they were not sure if the guy acted alone or if there were multiple shooters, any other potential bad guys could potentially blend in with the evacuating crowds and get away and/or inflict further harm. Hence the armed officers as people evacuated.

The armed response was likely because there were unconfirmed reports of more shooters and shots being fired. You have the luxury of judging this from the comfort of your home or hotel after the fact. The responding agencies had to do the best they could with the information at hand. I'd rather see an overreaction to a potential threat than have them (law enforcement) be caught flat-footed and see even more death and injury that could've been avoided.

Much like we prepare for the worst and have plans and responses in place should it happen, so does law enforcement. I'm sure they weren't perfect and will adjust how they respond based on what happened yesterday.

popcorn

Spoken like a true authoritarian. Treat the constitution as an inconvenience when you need to take care of business by splitting hairs over definitions. Pointing guns at women and children and detaining them indefinitely without charges is not what this country is all about. I'm over this conversation. Thanks for your input.

etflies

Nor is this country about reacting hysterically because we think we have all of the information needed to pass judgement we're unequivocally unqualified to pass after the fact.

popcorn

bye Felicia? Who still says that???

You earn an A+ for immaturity today too. C- for trolling though. buh bye.

Edit: nice edit. Wish I quoted your original inane comment.

etflies

Yes, I did change it. For anyone who is wondering I originally wrote bye Felicia. I meant it as sarcasm and humor not a trolling attempt. There are many trolls on APC, I do not include myself in those ranks. Evidently folks forgot their humor bone this week.

Although the C- effort was enough to work on you

^Also humor & sarcasm.

NMuir

Doesn't matter... all it would've taken was one good guy with one gun and one bullet in proximity to this nutcase and several people would not have been shot.


Interesting to see that you're willing to gamble with other people's lives.