Agreed. I’m going to give the company another shot at trust and switch to a yes.

I have talked to about 20 pilots in the bottom 2000 and everyone of them is super happy with this AIP including myself. Not your gold standard Gallup poll, but I’d say pretty good info. But obviously the devils in the details of the actual language.


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I’ll wait to see final language, but the bullet points stated only those holding a furlough notice could be placed on this reduced guarantee. From a practically standpoint, more pilots on UNA is not good. You must be displaced to UNA via the bid process. The most jr active pilots are in the most undermanned categories even without furloughing. Putting more pilots on UNA would just bog down our training even more. They get paid 30 hrs a month to do nothing and when they return to the line, do so without a seat lock. I imagine many returning will go to Virginia ave twice in a year after they return

Nice job MEC and NC. Looks pretty good.
I’d like to see the finer points on PS commuting. (Can we go down to 1 flight instead of 2?)
The permanent lowered TLV will drive staffing on the backside of this recovery. When things get good again, we’re going to need a lot more pilots.
Kinda curious if crew resources will need to run another AE Nov 29.

no I read it....and it reads like a bullet point. The UNA pilots who got a furlough notice get 30 hrs.....great thanks for letting me know where those pilots stand.

it doesn’t say the UNA of 30hrs is limited to or only for those that got furlough notices.

sorry just something I noticed.....some of your pilots are talking about squishy language? That may be it. I can see that backfiring big time.

I initially had the exact same thought as you. Is the company playing us? But I read this bullet as only UNA pilots who have received (past tense) a furlough letter, go down to 30 hours. Devil is in the details. Will need to see the actual language.

Since TLV is based on the 12 bid rolling average is my expectation that the next few months the ALV could be considerably lower (sub 65 hrs) and then adjusted up in the Summer to get to just above the minimum? Seems like the 1941 will keep the NB manning fat and the ALV at the lower end of the window despite their higher usage. Maybe some NB captain slots open up near term to stay in the TLV window.

This topic is going around on some FB posts and those who allege to be in the know say they’ve been told ALPA is firming up this language. Sounds like they’ve got their eye on it and smell what you’re cookin’.

All that said, forcing guys onto UNA (have never been UNA) would also come with it the massive training churn as they rearrange the seats I would think.

ALV floor is 72 for NBs and 71 for WBs

PWA 23
“Average line value” (ALV) means a number of hours established by the Company that is the projected average of all regular line values, for a position, for a bid period and is:
a. between 72 and 84 hours (inclusive) for a narrowbody position and a B-767/B-757
position.
b. between 71 and 85 hours (inclusive) for a widebody position other than a B-767/B-
757 position.
“Line construction window” (LCW) means a range of hours that is seven and one half hours above and below the ALV for each position in each bid period. The LCW will not extend below 65 hours without mutual agreement between the Director – Crew Resources and the MEC Scheduling Committee Chairman.