I was under the impression it was an option? Maybe thru APA? I can't remember. But yes I would totally support that, just like additional benefits like the legal plans. A one stop shop for us. With over 100k employees I'm guessing the CO could negotiate good rates.

Hotels for commuters, believe it or not, benefits the company more than the cost. So it actually saves them money in the long run. So many less sick calls and mis-commutes. It is a huge thing for commuter pilots out there, while I would still argue, along with all other regional airline heads, that paying for commuter hotels is an even bigger benefit for the company...So much so that it negates the cost of the hotels. Now management will of course claim there is a cost to this, but an effective negotiator will prove this point in negotiations.

IMHO, I don't think we should ONLY try for improvements that benefit 95-100% of the pilot group. Sometimes 50% is enough of justification to support a contract improvement. If we only tried for things that benefits that ultra high percentage of pilots, we would still be lacking in so many areas.

I also want better medical plans, but many people tell me that I should not want to fight for that b.c. such a large % of our pilots have other (non- AA) medical plans they use; that it would be a waste of negotiating capital. I just don't agree with that logic. Especially when our plans don't stack up well with our competitors plans.

If we had a FedEx medical everyone who has their own plans would be bailing for the company plan.

Commuting benefits (hotels a3 passes etc ) allow you to bid better paying $$$ equipment wherever your seniority can hold without taking a qol hit. If pilots at aa don’t see the positive in that until after delta and United have it then this is going to be a AAwefully disappointing contract for all.


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Positive space travel and hotel rooms!!

Awesome!!!

That's for everyone, right?

Stand by for for the me too, and there are 100k more of them then there are us.

Look at Delta’s Pilot profit sharing. Vastly superior to every other employee group. Our profit sharing is the same as every other employee group and there in lies the problem...we shouldn’t give in to the “me too” mindset.

What groups are unionized at Delta?

How about AA?

Late last year management put the non-contract employees back on the same profit sharing program as the pilots (as a percentage of payout).

In 2016 they put them on a different plan in exchange for a pay raise, then handed the old program back free of charge effective Q4 2017.


The big difference in our plan is we get the 16% 401k contribution to go along with the payout, just as though it was regular pay. I do not believe any other group (DAL or otherwise) gets this.

we shouldn't give in to the me-too mindset

We don't, so much.

AA does, and that is both the problem and the reality.

NTL... I am really excited to have free positive space travel and free hotel rooms for my travels... Bring it on.

I think now is the time for a scope grab by the pilots. >50 seat flown at mainline at group 1 rates (which need to be raised).