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Old 07-10-2018, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback View Post
I think the UDC guys were actually the DCA guys. And one, or both, are no longer in office.


Ya i messed that up. It’s LAX that wants a full rewrite of the entire contract along with PHL and CLT.
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An entire rewrite doesn’t have to be ‘bad’ for the company - they actually talked to us about a rewrite of sec 15 but politics on both sides got in the way. There are numerous things that would benefit us as well as the company - and are actually “gives for us” - things that even I don’t think are appropriate to be mentioned here. IOW - We can get things from the company for our concessions - that actually we want - a double win for us. Talk to your reps or people in CCC/FTDT.

As for big QWL gains - the company knows they are dreadfully behind on those as well. Settling now for mediocrity at this point BEFORE UAL/DAL signs is darn near criminally negligent.


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Also - EARLY OPENERS are Jan 2019 IF both parties agree. Otherwise it’s Jan 2020.


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Originally Posted by Cheddar View Post
Also - EARLY OPENERS are Jan 2019 IF both parties agree. Otherwise it’s Jan 2020.


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Only one party required. It's going to happen.


JCBA Section 26 D. Early Opener: "If written notice is provided by either party at least thirty (30) days prior to January 1, 2019, the parties agree to commence negotiations in January 2019."
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Originally Posted by blastoff View Post
Only one party required. It's going to happen.


JCBA Section 26 D. Early Opener: "If written notice is provided by either party at least thirty (30) days prior to January 1, 2019, the parties agree to commence negotiations in January 2019."
I’m not interested in early openers, I’d rather wait until UAL/DAL get a contract.i realize that means the APAwould not be pulling it’s weight in pattern bargaining...I just don’t have confidence in our union to make QOL gains.
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars View Post
I’m not interested in early openers, I’d rather wait until UAL/DAL get a contract.i realize that means the APAwould not be pulling it’s weight in pattern bargaining...I just don’t have confidence in our union to make QOL gains.


Agreed. I’d rather we pull our weight for the next round. We should not be quick to settle.


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Originally Posted by blastoff View Post
Only one party required. It's going to happen.





JCBA Section 26 D. Early Opener: "If written notice is provided by either party at least thirty (30) days prior to January 1, 2019, the parties agree to commence negotiations in January 2019."


Thanks - totally misread (or misremembered) that.


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I talked to Dan at one of the concourse conversations recently. If the BOD doesn’t torpedo anything i think he and the rest of the negotiatiors can get us a solid deal in a short amount of time.
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I talked to Dan at one of the concourse conversations recently. If the BOD doesn’t torpedo anything i think he and the rest of the negotiatiors can get us a solid deal in a short amount of time.
“Solid deal” does not sound like an industry leading deal.
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“Solid deal” does not sound like an industry leading deal.
Who cares if it's good for us. Put your pecker away and forget about the measuring contest for a little while.

I have zero desire to pull a United and topple the company with our contract. I would much rather work for a sustainable company than one where labor continuously cuts it down at its knees and we slowly decay, ie US Airways.
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