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Old 07-09-2018, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaxs170 View Post


The big difference in our plan is we get the 16% 401k contribution to go along with the payout, just as though it was regular pay. I do not believe any other group (DAL or otherwise) gets this.
Huh?

DAL also gets 16% contribution + 10% of company profits under $2.5B plus 20% over $2.5B, split pro-rata between all eligible employees.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:11 PM
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Doesn’t United and Delta start and will prob finish their new contract before us?
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars View Post
I think now is the time for a scope grab by the pilots. >50 seat flown at mainline at group 1 rates (which need to be raised).
Would be nice but we have all the me too clauses that kill that. From FAs to fleet service. If it were pilots only I'd think it wouldn't be an issue.
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Old 07-09-2018, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LIOG41 View Post
Doesn’t United and Delta start and will prob finish their new contract before us?
I’ve been wondering the same thing. I think United may be in early openers already. I’m not sure about Delta. I personally would love for them to do contracts before us. That way we don’t use the benchmark of their current contract just for them to sign new deals and leave us in the dust again.
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:32 PM
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Would be nice but we have all the me too clauses that kill that. From FAs to fleet service. If it were pilots only I'd think it wouldn't be an issue.
Well, if we fly them, it would have to be with mainline FA’s, we can’t fly with FA’s from another company. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LIOG41 View Post
Doesn’t United and Delta start and will prob finish their new contract before us?
UAL’s 2 year extension runs until 1/2019

DAL contract is through 12/2019

Not sure when their openers start. Our openers start in 174 days.

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Old 07-10-2018, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars View Post
Well, if we fly them, it would have to be with mainline FA’s, we can’t fly with FA’s from another company. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you.
Yes that's my point. It's not just pilot costs. But as we use negotiating capital to grab more scope, we generate increased costs and jobs for all other employee groups. FAs, fleet service, dispatch, mx, gate/ticket agents, etc.

Our scope and negotiating capital is what keeps every other union employee group on property.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:49 AM
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The biggest hold up to a new contract will be an over reach by the CLT/PHL/UDC reps. The same thing they did that ruined negotiations with the JCBA.

We need solid gains but we can’t be out in left field compared to UA/DL with our asks.

Cue the “company man” trolls.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF View Post
The biggest hold up to a new contract will be an over reach by the CLT/PHL/UDC reps. The same thing they did that ruined negotiations with the JCBA.

We need solid gains but we can’t be out in left field compared to UA/DL with our asks.

Cue the “company man” trolls.
Agree 100%. The pilots based in those domiciles need to vote those guys out ASAP. They are in effective bitter old dudes.

Another challenge will be getting everyone to pull in the same direction. C&R has become a cesspool of guns, religion, and political debates. We need to focus on securing a contract and drop the BS.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF View Post
The biggest hold up to a new contract will be an over reach by the CLT/PHL/UDC reps. The same thing they did that ruined negotiations with the JCBA.

We need solid gains but we can’t be out in left field compared to UA/DL with our asks.

Cue the “company man” trolls.
I think the UDC guys were actually the DCA guys. And one, or both, are no longer in office.
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