Don't confuse specific aircraft class start dates with new hire class start dates.


New hire classes (i.e. Indoc) will continue to start every two weeks.


E145 and E175 aircraft class start dates (i.e. first day of ground school/SPC) will be every week.


C700 will remain every two weeks.


Weekly starts for aircraft training increases resource efficiency.

This... I hate lies, and for over 1yr we have been behind “INDUSTRY LEADING” 1st yr FO pay, and for many many years behind senior CA pay. So it’s way beyond (in my opinion false).

Reality and ethical marketing is important. What is happening is purposeful, not negligence of reality. Take notice!

Have any of you folks considering Envoy looked at the growing pay differences between a 2-20yr Envoy Captain verse a 2-20yr CA at another regional carrier? How cheap are we? Very. So much so, the company(s) want to “grow us.”

Pay attention all you NH’s & potential NH’s all what many of us in property asks. If you do come here, don’t come here complaining about pay, QOL, or flow. You must look in the mirror if you wonder why it’s not happening come 2019. We will gladly provide you a mirror. We all see your hire date & realize you should not be complaining about industry lagging pay & QOL for both NH FO’s and CA’s 2-20+yrs vs other regional carriers.

I fear the fact that “Eagle Strong” guys glowing & flowing will severely encourage company personnel infractions once the PP eligible flows and guys who experienced the BK are gone. I am nervous for our company (the people & pilots), and our career longevity. 2023+ is a long way away!

This is a more likely scenario. But there are still some resource constraints. When I went through they were scheduling the sims to the max. So much so that it was actually counter productive. There was NO budge room. You miss a sim for ANY reason, sick or misconnect instructor, weather or maintenance shutdown and it could take several weeks to get that one period rescheduled.

One instructor leaving triggers several training events.

Maybe they will get better at it by decreasing the number of 145 NHs, but as long as they have the churn of forced upgrade displacements, it is going to be hard to increase throughput.

Better believe it because it is happening. Told you a few days and you called it "FAKE NEWS."

Also, any new hire coming here for flow, remember unless your a protected pilot flow is NOT guaranteed! If you have two miss assignments within two years of your flow date they can withhold you from flowing to American. So please don’t come here thinking you will flow just because you got hired at Envoy. The only viable reason to come here is to be DFW based cause as said above pay ain’t gonna change anytime soon.

FYI - AA single class for Dec is planned for 75.

Total for 2018 will be 940. Plan at the beginning of the year was 900.

Last year, 645 pilots were hired.

It is rumored 2019’s plan is for 1,000 pilots to be hired.

Pretry much any discipline within 2 years can prevent flow if it results in a step letter. Uniform violations, calling in sick 4 times a year, etc.

That’s great! 500 Envoy pilots to AA via flow!

wait..........

Is that how it works? I thought it was 33% for some time

That’s a pretty dangerous game for them to play though. I mean you are correct but I would be surprised if they used it in all but the most grievous cases.

I mean think about it. They tell a guy he can’t flow because his kids got sick a couple too many times his last year here and now you expect him to provide top notch service?

Nah, not going to happen. The company wants us to flow, it’s in their best interest in all aspects. Keeps pay down, helps recruitment, keeps the pilot group junior and easier to control etc. just because they don’t flow at the rate we think they should doesn’t mean they don’t want us to flow.