So much for "industry leading" pairings. - Page 3

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Bozo the pilot , 08-30-2018 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer

This next month is going to be terrible. Why anyone has any faith in this company or cba is sad... the first time this new cba has its chance to show the industry leading language it has, it fails miserably.

Have you seen the pairings yet? Where are they?

#22

Bozo the pilot , 08-30-2018 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LoudFastRules

Hmmm. We had this neat thing negotiated, called a CBA. You'd think they would have maybe addressed this issue with some industry standard (some have, some don't) language, like pilots will CONTINUE to build the pairings - just like they have been.

Ya know, when all this "Industry leading pairing language" malarky was being thrown irresponsibly around, I pretty much assumed it meant that we were re-assuming the responsibility of building the pairings ourselves.

Without that ability, the language is meaningless and worthless. Putting extreme outer boundaries on the ********y things ********y people can do to us by treating us like ****** is not exactly something to celebrate as "industry-leading".

AND YES: I did emphasize that pilots building pairings was one of my top priorities in all surveys and communications with reps.

As a life-long union member, I am sorry to say that ALPA totally screwed the pooch on this issue.

You want a hanky?

#23

BeatNavy , 08-30-2018 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot

Where are they?

In the toilet.

#24

BeatNavy , 08-30-2018 06:48 PM

Covfefe

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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot

You want a hanky?

No, we want a good contract. Guess that’s asking too much.

#25

Bozo the pilot , 08-30-2018 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BeatNavy

No, we want a good contract. Guess that’s asking too much.

Nothing would have made us happy Navy. An October pairing hasnt even been published and its armageddon already?
What did you expect? They cant even cater airplanes.

#26

RiddleEagle18 , 08-30-2018 07:02 PM

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This entire discussion has ZERO to do with the cba.

The pairing protections in our CBA are absolutely industry leading. Full stop.

Now if you think the company taking over the pairing build and just the general adjustment to the new CBA will take a while for everyone to figure out, then yes I agree with you. Will there be a few months of growing pains on the companies side AND our side? Of course.

Good deals went away, new good deals will arise. Seniority strategies will adjust and everyone will settle into the new rules.

New rules, new game to be figured out.

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#27

elmetal , 08-30-2018 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18

what are some of these pairing protections that are "industry leading?"

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RiddleEagle18 , 08-30-2018 07:30 PM

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Max connect times
Max segments
No more duty periods than days
Commutable pairing requirements(no one has these)
Pairing distribution(huge, no one else has this)
AVL(affects pairing build)
TLV restrictions(changes pairing build)
Min duty AND min day both
New day at 0100(best by a long shot)

All of these thing have an affect on what types of pairings the company builds.

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RiddleEagle18 , 08-30-2018 07:35 PM

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It’s not letting me edit for some reason. That’s only some of them.

Hours of service.
Red eye protections

I’m sure there is more I can’t even think of right now.

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#30

Jet Streem , 08-31-2018 03:54 AM

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It sounds like you have some really good stuff in there. Could you provide some of the numbers, context and simplified detail? For instance, max connect times, there is a big difference between 1.5 hours and 3 hours.