I would also argue that you shouldn't have to fatigue because your schedule is too intense. Fatiguing should be a result of having an external factor effect your ability to fly, not the flying/schedule its self. You shouldn't have to fatigue to feel like a human being, or to eat, or to get a normal amount of time off during a tour.

Excellent point. A fatigue call should be a last resort, one-off. Not a routine defense mechanism against ridiculous scheduling.

Good point, hoping the 135 rest rules and possible retirement age working its way across capitol hill can address some of this stuff. I was pretty shocked to see three 65 year old retired American pilots in my interview class, only one got hired.

I don’t think that anyone is “settling” at NetJets.

That’s why wages alone have increased literally tenfold in a period of 13 years.

The majors have literally decades upon decades of collective bargaining products in their contracts.

NJA pilots... 13 years.

Let that sink in for a minute.


It’s only possible to add so much value to a CBA at a time before one actually does risk choking the revenue.

More like thirty years of representation. Longer than companies like Jetblue and Spirit have been in existence. Ten year contracts don't help either.

How many contracts have JetBlue and Frontier had? Hell, Frontier hasn’t even moved past an AIP yet. Let that sink in. JB has such a phenomenal first CBA with pretty darn good overall language.

The wages have increased twice in 13 years, right? 2015 and 2018 (TBT). They certainly didn’t increase during the large furlough. Where are you getting “10 fold” from?


And be real, if you hadn’t been furloughed from the airlines you wouldn’t even know who NJA was.

Every time the pilot group votes an extension for a couple increases in a section or two, the rest of the contract falls completely behind. The nuts and bolts of the 2015 CBA will be 10 years behind where it should be, hell lots of the language should have been fixed long ago.

13 years ago was 2005. So, the 2005 contract, the 2007 contract, the 2015 contract, and now the 2018 contract.

Question: are the incoming Longitudes basically replacing outgoing Xs and Sovereigns? Will there be any net new seats with the Longitudes? I guess that partly depends on executed order numbers too for Netjets USA vs Netjets Europe.

Friend said he saw a Longitude in the Netjets hanger recently. Impressive airplane.

Hopefully it turns out to be more reliable than the Latitude. Nice airplane but it has a break rate almost as bad as some of the legacy fleets.

As for the fleet “plan,” what is today, Saturday? It will change three times before next Saturday.

I forgot about 07. Didn't count 05 but I suppose by date year you are correct.